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greetings and salutations and welcome to

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another exciting edition

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of the mystery man

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show

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because who better

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than a magician

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a man trained in the art of deception

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to peel back the layers and investigate

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for you

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some of the greatest mysteries on planet

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earth

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tonight

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we are once again talking about one of

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are alien craft

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visiting

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my home state of pennsylvania

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tonight

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we're going to get an amazing insight

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into

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some of the ufo phenomenon that goes on

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because here in the united states

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there is one amazing group that

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investigates all of the ufo phenomenon

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and they are a non-profit

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civilian run organization since the

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government doesn't seem to care

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to investigate these things

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and bring you the truth

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luckily there is mufon

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the mutual ufo network

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and tonight

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we're gonna get to talk to john ventry

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now you may have seen john on

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he's been on so many television shows

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anderson cooper live

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where he debated the ufo phenomenon and

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you may have seen him on ufo hunters on

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the history channel

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the amazing and one of my favorite new

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and that is hanger one the ufo files

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which are cases taken directly from

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the mufon archives

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which john of course uh you know has

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full access to

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he's one of their lead investigators

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he's one of their most outspoken

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outspoken investigators as far as

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you know this whole phenomenon

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and he has investigated some of the most

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incredible cases in my local area so we

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are pleased and delighted to have him

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with us this evening

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i thought we could talk about some of

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the other things that i've been looking

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here in the mystery man show

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anything mysterious

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and so when it comes to ufos

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sent to ufo investigators or

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that we're all so aware of now

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anti-gravity technology craft flying in

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that were supposed to be back engineered

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flying but they were made of

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bicycle parts

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howe and some of the other ufo hucksters

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believe anything

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that i truly and and totally want to

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extraterrestrials out there somewhere in

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the universe to me the universe is just

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so huge and so vast that it would be a

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complete and total waste of space if we

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were the only intelligent beings

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intelligent beings

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these documents that are so-called

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there are people out there

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who are willing to accept anything that

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they get as true and proof look here's

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listen i happen to be a computer science

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some people don't know that about me

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i mean it's kind of odd you know

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very trained in the art of deception and

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misdirection and

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how to fool people

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that training and that ability to see

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through deception but when i see some of

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these documents and some of the other

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things that people

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report as fact

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i i just kind of cringe because i i look

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i see through it so easily and and

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i have a big problem and and we talked

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about that in a previous show about the

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ufo hucksters with people like stan

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romanek or people like linda mullen hal

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running around going hey look at these

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carrot documents

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and uh hey this is proof of of ufos and

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this is proof of alien contact and the

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government back engineering alien craft

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uh anti-gravity technology drones that

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miss lindemon hell those pictures are

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obvious fakes

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magician and seeing through deception so

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computer science student like extremely

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semester it's going to take me like

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another eight years to get a degree

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still going i happen to be a lifelong

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computerist kind of guy like a just

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tell you with a hundred

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degree of certainty that these pictures

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are completely and totally false

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these pictures are complete and total

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and the fact that somebody like linda

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mullen hal would run around

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getting paid lecture fees

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because that's what it's all about go on

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take the money and run

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linda gone

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i don't know did she ever give that

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money back

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looked at those pictures and said that

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they were complete and total frauds i

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took the time

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the energy

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good ethics to apologize for what she

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all this money because the truth is when

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you know a new thing she took a whole

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bunch of money to run around and talk

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about these things

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they turned out to be complete and total

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frauds

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around taking all this money

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presented those things as facts

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and to me that is a crime it's a felony

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it's a felony to take money from people

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fairy tales about things that you know

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or any reasonable person that did even

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the least bit of investigation would

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know are complete and total frauds

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but she did she took the money and she

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you know it's unfortunate but that's

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just the way that it is

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complete total frauds some you know

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some person

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wanted to create a hoax

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made some real nice documents

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created some

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i i have to say they're well done fake

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pictures but they're still fake pictures

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and to me i always come back to this

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time and time and time again

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i want to know the truth

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if there's really alien extraterrestrial

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visitors visiting our planet i want to

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know that i want to know the truth

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so when some of these ufo hucksters

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and by the way all of these pictures and

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the documents and everything were sent

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to miss hal

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and earth files and these other

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entities completely and totally and

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honest anonymously so you nobody could

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verify

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that a real person center these for all

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we know she sent them to herself she

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could have created them for all we know

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it's completely and totally

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a fraud

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and that's unfortunate because like i

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said i want to know the truth if there's

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really alien extraterrestrials out there

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i want to know it i want to know we're

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not alone in the universe

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i truly believe we're not but i'd like

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to know it for a fact and if our

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government really does know the truth

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and is keeping it from us then i'm

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pissed off and i want to know the truth

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who are they to keep this this is

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if it's true

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would be the most life-changing

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mind-altering experience in human

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history we'd finally get to know that

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there are other races

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out there in the universe and that they

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have visited us

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but

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like i said we have these ufo hucksters

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and they're making a nice living i'd

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like to publicly challenge miss hal and

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ask her how much did you make last year

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selling [\h__\h] because that's what she

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does she sells [\h__\h]

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and it's unfortunate so tonight we're to

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get to talk to john ventry who is

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completely and totally beyond your

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approach as far as [\h__\h] goes because

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this guy does his due diligence i can't

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tell you enough how how much respect i

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have for this guy because

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he has done the hard work he does the

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freedom of information act stuff

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he corroborates things this guy is

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beating up like faa people going i want

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the radar tapes and you gotta admire a

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guy

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with balls like that like that's the

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kind of investigators that this

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community needs and it's unfortunate but

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you go to a ufo like convention and you

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see frauds like romanek and and linda

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moulton hale and all these other

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fake alien abductee people and

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it's just [\h__\h] and that's

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unfortunate because there are good

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people out there

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i have to say that uh mr john ventry is

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the pa state mufon director but beyond

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that uh he's really

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high ranking in that organization which

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is a

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it's a non-profit which is great so

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they those guys are the civilian ufo

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investigators and when somebody sees

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lights in the sky or says hey i saw a

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flying saucer if it seems like uh

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worthy of investigating those guys take

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their time their money and their energy

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and they go out into the field and they

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investigate these things and they try to

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get to the truth of what it is

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now quite often it does turn out to be

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some

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explainable event

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you know hey there was uh

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there was a bunch of helicopters in that

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area doing uh

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doing a training exercise and they had

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lights you know so there were some

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lights in the sky yeah but it turns out

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to be helicopters or whatever the case

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may be

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they're very truthful i have to say move

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on and what they find they don't invent

400
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things they don't

401
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um extrapolate they don't you know

402
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they don't embellish

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what

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the gist of the case is

405
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they are there to give us

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what is the truth of

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unexplained phenomenon in the skies and

408
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people like john ventry really they

409
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should be commended for the work that

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they do

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i mean uh john had a long and successful

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career in the private business world and

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i

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just gave up a few but

415
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you know

416
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this guy directs all of these different

417
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investigators that are running around

418
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,199
trying to get to the truth of what's in

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our skies and i don't know about you but

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even from just like a security

421
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standpoint or from

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you know a national security standpoint

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if there's stuff

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that's flying around in our skies and we

425
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don't know what it is

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you know i think that's a problem

427
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and the fact that our government doesn't

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care enough to go investigate these

429
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things it's very troubling to me so i

430
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personally

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myself i'm very happy that we have

432
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something like mufon and especially

433
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somebody like john ventry who's going to

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run around and go look i'm going to get

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to the truth and to his credit john has

436
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done some incredible investigations

437
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and investigated some of the great

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mysteries here in some cases there was

439
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:47,760
actual physical proof

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of some kind of phenomenon that happened

441
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and john tis credit was instrumental in

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that and he's been on television a

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couple of times talking about these

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specific cases where there was trace

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evidence left in

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a witnesses trees

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and

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i

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should also say that he's an excellent

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author he's got some great books out

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that you can get

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and if you really want to be fully

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00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,799
informed about this ufo topic and the

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subject of ufos

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john is probably the best author that

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00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,440
you should begin with if you don't have

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any ufo books

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he has

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written some incredible

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fact-based books that have corroboration

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and witnesses and

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are truthful

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he's not one of those ufo hucksters

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that's out there selling any story he

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can just to write a book

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honestly i think that john writes books

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based on

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you know his kind of insatiable need

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that i see in him to get to the truth

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which is

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something that i share

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i myself have the same thing going on if

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there's like i said if there's

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extraterrestrials out there i want to

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know you know what even if it's russian

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aircraft that are flying over our skies

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and our government don't know maybe they

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00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,600
have some kind of advanced technology i

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want to know the truth

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and john like me i'm so happy to get to

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talk to him tonight because he's got

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that same kind of thing

483
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:21,919
you know it's not sensationalized

484
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:24,080
nonsense that he's selling that he knows

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00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:27,200
is fraud fake [\h__\h]

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john's not one of those guys going

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around selling [\h__\h]

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and it's unfortunate but he doesn't get

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as much attention as some of the other

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people because they have this

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sensationalized stories full of [\h__\h]

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so tonight i am incredibly honored and

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happy to present an amazing expert guest

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on the ufo field

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john ventry

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pa state mufon director

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television personality

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and

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incredible author

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ladies and gentlemen please welcome

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my guest tonight

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pa state mufon director john ventry

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john thanks for being on the show

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hey thanks for having me on steve

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you know the first question i wanted to

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ask you is a question i ask a lot of

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people that are into the ufo subject

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what got you started and what has kept

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you so fascinated over the years with

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the subject

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yeah you know steve i probably have a

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very different answer than anyone else

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you've had

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most of the people i know in mufon and

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in this field

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they had an interest in this as a 10

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year old you know for example stan

518
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gordon was 10 years old most of the

519
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mufon people were into this as kids and

520
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i never was to be honest with you i was

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a comic-con you know famous monsters of

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film land horror fan

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you know my whole life and i i got

524
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:57,840
involved in this i was almost 40

525
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,799
and what happened was i wanted to i was

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on a special assignment at work

527
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traveling around the country for 18

528
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months and it was really boring at night

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and on the weekends so i wanted to write

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a sci-fi book and i started

531
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investigating end time prophecies and i

532
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:17,679
wrote a sci-fi novel based on the mayan

533
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calendar but while while i was doing it

534
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i kept coming across all these different

535
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:27,360
cultures that talked about

536
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,720
people on flying shields star people

537
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people from space you know whether it

538
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,720
was the mayans that you know the chinese

539
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indians hope the indians etc so i said

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you know what i gotta look into this ufo

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thing as soon as i'm done with with the

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book and that was back in 96 uh 95

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and what i did was i joined mufapan in

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98 mainly because i used to watch that

545
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tv show sightings

546
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and anytime they talked about ufos they

547
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had the mufon investigator and i said

548
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well

549
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you know

550
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,559
that was such a cool show i wish they'd

551
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:04,640
bring it on dvd they never did you know

552
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i taped them i have them on uh vhs as a

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00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:09,679
matter of fact as a side note before i

554
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finish how i got

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00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:13,280
involved the virginia state director

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said

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that there was a film episode of the

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00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,440
socorro new mexico case

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on sightings and nobody has been able to

560
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,039
find it and it was the actual three

561
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,520
spots that that craft had landed and

562
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,000
made imprints so

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i went through my dvd uh vhs i should

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say and i found it and i copied it and i

565
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,120
sent it to him so that was the case he

566
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,200
was working on and nobody else the

567
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,200
sightings wouldn't give him the footage

568
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but i had it so i sent it to him

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so i mean that's just a side note so

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what happened was um

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i started looking into ufos joined mufon

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in 98 and became a state director i

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think in

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2005 or or six and

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the thing is

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the more you look with this field the

577
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,440
more you find i i'm just i can't pull

578
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,280
out of it i said to people i want to

579
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,039
pull away from this a little bit and not

580
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,640
spend so much time on it and um

581
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,720
you know it's like godfather three every

582
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,400
time i want to pull out they pull me

583
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,640
right back in

584
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,799
way it's like down the rabbit hole you

585
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,919
know

586
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,520
i try myself i say all right i'm going

587
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,960
to take a break from this stuff and then

588
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,960
somebody will call me or email me with

589
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:27,280
some case or some something that's going

590
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,559
on you just can't stop

591
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,559
do you think you ever get closer to the

592
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,159
truth though because you've been doing

593
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,720
this much longer than me

594
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,720
yeah well you know let me answer that i

595
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,159
just want to give you one other example

596
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,679
i was just on the phone with my

597
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,360
publisher uh

598
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:45,919
20 minutes before the interview and we

599
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,720
were talking about dating i had just met

600
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:51,520
somebody and i texted him and said you

601
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,360
know she she texted me not interested

602
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,760
i spoke at the pittsburgh wizard world

603
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,840
comic con two weeks ago right and i took

604
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,320
her and she was so uncomfortable even

605
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:03,840
though you know william shatner was

606
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,640
there david duchovny the walking dead

607
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,480
and she said to me you know when she

608
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:10,159
left that i don't know if i want this in

609
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:14,240
my life and i have lost here i'm serious

610
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:17,679
i've lost five out of six dates

611
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,640
as soon as the ufo topic comes up so you

612
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,720
know you not only can't get away from

613
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,440
this you can't hold on to a date i mean

614
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,960
and he was laughing he says he has the

615
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,960
same problem he used to be the chief

616
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,360
investigator for mufon richard lange and

617
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,760
he's my publisher and he goes as soon as

618
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,760
ufos come up and we both said the same

619
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,480
thing we gotta not mention it when you

620
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,919
meet somebody you know when you go out

621
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,600
on you even though you're proud of it

622
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,720
you do the tv shows and books

623
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,640
you know i don't think that's because

624
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:48,720
that's there should be two separate

625
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,679
classes though of ufo ufo people because

626
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,039
i was just talking about this in a

627
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,440
previous show there's some people and i

628
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,080
call them like ufo hucksters

629
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,080
and not not including you sir because

630
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,320
you're like very factual that's why i

631
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,400
like your stuff but there's some people

632
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,200
that just they hear any story no

633
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,559
corroboration no proof no trace evidence

634
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,279
nothing they just go repeating these

635
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,480
stories they don't verify things they

636
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,880
don't get any kind of they don't do fact

637
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,799
checking like like some of the stories

638
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,039
like dan burrish and some other people

639
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,279
you just go really the guy's not a

640
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,520
doctor he's not you know he never went

641
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,240
to any of these schools why why are

642
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,240
people getting paid the lecture on this

643
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,320
guy it doesn't make any sense if there

644
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,960
was two separate classes i think a lot

645
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,960
of the people rolling their eyes would

646
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,720
stop because they have to know there's

647
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:43,520
people like you and you know

648
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,960
giving and staying gordon or you know

649
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,279
you know stan friedman that have like

650
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,320
factual evidence that's the stuff i like

651
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,400
and want to get to

652
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,159
well you know that's the newest book i

653
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,840
wrote but you know it's and i even in

654
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,520
the beginning of my intro in the book i

655
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,960
say a little bit you know i don't want

656
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,120
to go i don't want to get too pushy

657
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,720
because you want people to read the book

658
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,279
but you know i say that in my book that

659
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,039
you know we have the problem with the

660
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,880
field is that there are some people who

661
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,039
believe everything you know and i give

662
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,440
stan romanek as an example in my book i

663
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,520
said you know look at what this guy

664
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,799
you know he claims everything has

665
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,200
happened to him and uh yet look at the

666
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,440
you know you got him faking paranormal

667
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,240
activity on on a one show you can find

668
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,520
that on youtube

669
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,080
um you know

670
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,919
dan

671
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,679
like it just

672
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,679
i i don't understand and i think that

673
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,000
the community itself should probably

674
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,400
police these things don't hire that guy

675
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,279
and and let him get paid to tell fairy

676
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,200
tales but but people want to be able to

677
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,679
you know i i agree you know

678
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,279
you know

679
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:51,279
and i had a personal experience with him

680
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,559
i i i fell into the stan romanek uh

681
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,279
you know drawer as a conference speaker

682
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,960
and you know of course i had to fly his

683
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,120
wife out too because she has to speak so

684
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,799
you know i had to pay for two plane

685
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,799
tickets he cancels

686
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,640
you know he cancels on me and says he's

687
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,559
got lyme disease and he's having his

688
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,400
spleen out and i said okay so he

689
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,159
canceled he gave me a 30-day notice and

690
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,880
he cancelled and then i found out a

691
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
couple of days after my my pittsburgh

692
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,120
conference he was in bucks county

693
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,600
soliciting funds for himself at this big

694
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,000
high dollar speed you know dinner that

695
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,320
this millionaire had that's where he was

696
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,919
so he there was no lyme disease there

697
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,799
was no

698
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,279
no spleen coming out you know

699
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,760
this is this is who this guy is you know

700
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,080
perhaps you know now he's up filed porn

701
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,760
charges and stuff and he's saying they

702
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,080
planted the evidence but but see people

703
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,520
and it's amazing how many people i know

704
00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:45,120
believe him

705
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,360
they believe this

706
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,200
is that there's a there's a wide range

707
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:50,960
of people into this subject and some

708
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,159
people go way to the believer's side i'm

709
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,720
i'm squarely in the middle like i i want

710
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,760
to believe but give me some evidence

711
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,880
and that's why i like your stuff uh

712
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,720
i should mention that

713
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,880
mr ventry was involved in

714
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:08,960
some of my favorite cases right in my

715
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,080
home state in pa because there was trace

716
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,240
physical evidence can you tell us a

717
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,480
little bit about that

718
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,720
you know i think two of the best cases

719
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,520
that we've had was in 2008 and you know

720
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,600
it's funny everybody remembers

721
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,679
stevensville because the year started

722
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,440
with the stephensville case back in

723
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,480
january but the year really ended with

724
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,279
the bucks county pa cases you know

725
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,720
really in the summer and towards the

726
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,880
fall uh you know it started with

727
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,640
stevensville it ended in pennsylvania

728
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,360
but two of the best cases we had and

729
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,679
they've been the the denise case has

730
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,679
been on like five different shows and i

731
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:47,919
did i went and did an anderson cooper

732
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,360
show on that in 2012.

733
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,679
or know that you there was an episode of

734
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:55,600
ufo hunters

735
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,159
alien i can't remember the names of the

736
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,919
shows i did i've done it about four

737
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,159
times plus anderson cooper but the

738
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:07,760
denise case

739
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:12,000
was denise murter in levittown she uh

740
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,360
four times

741
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,279
saw a ufo

742
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,919
the dog started barking like three three

743
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,080
in the morning woke her up and she saw a

744
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,320
triangular craft approaching

745
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,039
and uh on one instance i think that was

746
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,480
in may of 08 it dropped these metallic

747
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,039
sprinkles into the tree in her yard and

748
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,279
she was like amazed like what is and

749
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,000
then it just pulled them right back up

750
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,360
into the uh craft so what we did was

751
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,360
myself and the investigator mostly

752
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,200
investigated because i lived 300 miles

753
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,520
from there you know he cut

754
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,919
you know leaves and stuff off that tree

755
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,919
plus a couple of sample trees in the

756
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,640
yard and around the corner and only the

757
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,520
tree in her yard had high levels of

758
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:56,720
boron

759
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,880
used in stealth aircraft well okay so

760
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,200
now this thing doesn't reflect radar and

761
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:05,279
probably neither did the craft reflect

762
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,200
radar and uh it's used in paints and in

763
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,120
nuclear reactors and stuff like that too

764
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,720
but you know and i asked denise do you

765
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,880
have like boron in your spice rack and

766
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,640
she had no idea what i was talking about

767
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:18,480
but you know she didn't sprinkle boron

768
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:21,840
on her tree from the second story window

769
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,640
so nobody can explain how boron got on

770
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,880
that tree that uh

771
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,799
you know that she said this happened and

772
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,720
you know and i even asked the lab but i

773
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,520
said you know boric acid is used in you

774
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,600
know pesticides fertilizer stuff like

775
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,240
that and she goes john if it was boric

776
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:40,880
acid i would have listed boric acid it

777
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,679
wasn't it was boron not boric acid you

778
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,399
know so so it was a really good case

779
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,960
even bill burns with ufo hunters they

780
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,600
got a police sketch artist involved and

781
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,720
uh

782
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,919
you know they interviewed all the

783
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,200
witnesses and they were like eight

784
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,559
different witnesses

785
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,720
and they drew uh you know what the craft

786
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,760
looked like

787
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,440
and you know the pictures were all

788
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,919
similar so you know with ufo hunters

789
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,519
they they said that that was what

790
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,760
happened and uh you know we did ufos

791
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,559
over earth which was the show uh right

792
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,559
as we were doing this investigation

793
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,640
mufon's doing their first tv series

794
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,720
called ufos over earth they did two

795
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,640
episodes they needed a third one so

796
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,240
we're in the middle of this and and they

797
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,480
got involved which was good

798
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,240
because they actually had the money to

799
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,120
pay for some of these lab analysis and

800
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:28,799
and different things and then we had

801
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,159
also dr professor levingood good

802
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:34,159
he did an analysis and he said the

803
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,279
leaves

804
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,320
were subject to high heat or radiation

805
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,159
they were emitting an enzyme called

806
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,000
anthocyanine

807
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,480
which is a natural admitting enzyme when

808
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,960
they they're it's under radiation or or

809
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,279
microwaves and uh so he's you know so

810
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,720
he's saying something strange was

811
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,880
happening with these leaves also and and

812
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,120
what happened afterwards

813
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,840
the landlord cut the tree down it was

814
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,240
about a year later because he i guess he

815
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,519
saw the tv show he didn't want the

816
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,200
attention in the neighborhood and people

817
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:04,720
coming

818
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,200
know hanging out at the house and stuff

819
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,440
like that so he cut he cut the tree down

820
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,440
but that was a really good case and uh

821
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,240
you know the other case that i think is

822
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,880
just as good but we've only done one two

823
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,360
well two times ufos of earth and then on

824
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:25,519
close to encounters so we did both these

825
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,200
cases on close encounters on on vigorous

826
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:31,600
discovery science just earlier this year

827
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:34,799
actually but the other case was uh cliff

828
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,799
and cliff is a retired uh

829
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,559
builder a beautiful house probably a

830
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,200
three million dollar home so

831
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,960
again

832
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,200
three in the morning dog barking wakes

833
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,039
him up same as denise

834
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,960
and the first time he looks out he's

835
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:52,640
laying in bed he looks out his window he

836
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,919
sees this dark like cloud moving really

837
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,960
slow

838
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,720
towards the house so he gets up he looks

839
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,720
out his window and he sees what he

840
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:02,000
thinks is a

841
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,919
six-sided craft just moving real slow he

842
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,919
said like 20 miles an hour he says what

843
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:09,360
you know he doesn't hear anything he

844
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,080
says this can't be a plane it's too slow

845
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,320
and it goes over his house so it happens

846
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,880
again the second time again the dog

847
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,640
wakes him up same thing like denise

848
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,600
every time the dog woke woke her up same

849
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,399
thing with him and the second time he

850
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,919
got his wife

851
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,679
and they went outside and there was a

852
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:30,159
heat lightning storm so he said john i

853
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:31,200
look up

854
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:34,640
and it the heat lightning flashes

855
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,600
he says i see this six-sided craft as

856
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,279
clear as daylight when the lightning

857
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,159
goes off and he says it's it's you know

858
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:43,919
it's thick it's got these

859
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,039
you know protrusions on it uh windows

860
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:49,679
and he says they it looks like six

861
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,279
triangular craft that are all docked

862
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:55,120
creating the six sides and he says when

863
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:56,720
the lightning went off you could see

864
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,279
through the seams you know you could see

865
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,880
the lightning like they were they were

866
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,279
docked into this you know six-sided

867
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,840
docking station so uh you know it's a

868
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,840
really good case and what again the

869
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,159
investigator he goes down to gets

870
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:12,560
cleared and goes to the philly airport

871
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,520
they let him in he says what he has they

872
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,760
pull it up on radar and says yeah at 4

873
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,599
20 in the morning on whatever the date

874
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,280
was uh

875
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,639
april 28th may 16th i can't remember um

876
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,879
you know we had a large craft with no

877
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,359
transponder come on the screen and then

878
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,079
it veered off to the northeast exactly

879
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,879
what cliff told us you know which was

880
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,280
amazing we but the thing that happens

881
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:39,919
after that is i said okay

882
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,159
we need to get the uh

883
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,599
we need to get the radar we need to get

884
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,079
a confirmation from the faa even though

885
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,800
they verbally told us that at the tower

886
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,119
so i filed a freedom of information act

887
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,000
and uh they said there's uh it's beyond

888
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:56,480
the record retention period of 45 days

889
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,359
so

890
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,359
the investigator files when i file one i

891
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,359
file another one i file an appeal they

892
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,880
keep saying it's it's you know it's

893
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,800
beyond the period

894
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,960
so one of our mufon people i spoke to

895
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,280
him and he tells me the procedure for

896
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,000
record retention i email them at the

897
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,560
philly tower i get a response back says

898
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:16,960
i run an efficient office and yes i do

899
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,240
have the radar so she sends it to me so

900
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,359
she sends me uh two discs

901
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,839
that look like cds but you can't read

902
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:27,920
them because you need the raptor program

903
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,040
from the faa so i sent it to our guy in

904
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,079
denver he has a contact they read it he

905
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,640
replies back and he says that uh

906
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:39,200
this these discs have been copied over

907
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,400
you know almost like they've been

908
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,480
tampered with where they they're copied

909
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:44,560
over and corrupted but he says i'm able

910
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,640
to pull six screens of radar paints that

911
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:51,839
show uh an object objects with no

912
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:54,720
transponder on it you know so so here i

913
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,400
got the faa saying that there's nothing

914
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,720
and i've got her telling me there is and

915
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,960
she sends it to me and i got her email

916
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,800
and everything so it really shows what

917
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,440
happens with the uh with the radar you

918
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,520
know dealing with the faa and the other

919
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,960
thing i learned recently too is that

920
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,640
stevensville case

921
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,800
someone there at the airport helped uh

922
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,440
mufon on that and provided the radar

923
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:19,040
that showed the six

924
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,040
f-16s of chasing the ufo that person was

925
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,720
reprimanded and uh and really from you

926
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,040
know that point on the they started to

927
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,800
take a stance against

928
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,200
providing the freedom of information act

929
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,160
radar we had a case uh in delaware

930
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,040
recently and they gave us the radar now

931
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,280
get this we got

932
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,560
we got a squadron of ufos right they

933
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,640
were seen in the sky like these orange

934
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,040
orbs there was a bunch of them like

935
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,640
eight or nine

936
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,560
and they're in the sky so we get the

937
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,359
radar the radar shows a small plane like

938
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,000
a cessna flying right at them and on

939
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,320
radar it shows the plane veering off to

940
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,800
the left to get out of the way right

941
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,119
where those these ufos are and we got it

942
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,400
you know we got that on radar so uh what

943
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:10,560
happened was that radar was through the

944
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,240
military not through the fda so

945
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,040
the faa finds out that we're getting

946
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,280
radar and i've got it in my book

947
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,200
actually the actual name of who we went

948
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,480
to with the military

949
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,800
they shut that branch down

950
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,119
now no longer allowing them to give

951
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,000
radar you have to go through the faa and

952
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,800
not to the military to get the radar so

953
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,800
since that point they have shut it down

954
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,800
and you can't get right on so basically

955
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:38,720
freedom of information act for radar

956
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,240
with the faa i mean it's a joke uh

957
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,800
yeah and i filed a complaint too

958
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,720
we don't have it we don't have it it's

959
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,880
past it's past the date we can get it

960
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,520
for you sorry and if you hadn't been to

961
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,760
your credit you were very persistent

962
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,440
because you knew it was there but if you

963
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,200
hadn't been so persistent you wouldn't

964
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,680
have got any of that information now

965
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,119
i think the

966
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,280
information act is is kind of been

967
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,560
castrated

968
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,960
like you can file you can file them they

969
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,280
don't have to give you anything i filed

970
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:11,920
a whole bunch of stuff on kecksburg got

971
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,440
nothing nothing nothing back nothing we

972
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,440
don't have any if we don't have any you

973
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,520
have like a hundred witnesses seeing

974
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,760
military people in that case

975
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,839
we don't have any record of anything on

976
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:28,950
the other thing they're doing is they're

977
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,560
charging you so on this radar um we we

978
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,880
paid 95

979
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,680
to get the radar and this is a second

980
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:39,440
case now not that first one they gave us

981
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,320
we had another case that we we had to go

982
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,240
through the saa and because this other

983
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,640
branch was shut down and we had another

984
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,680
good case and uh they said well it's 95

985
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,400
so i wrote him a check for 95 move on pa

986
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,160
that's why we hold these conferences to

987
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,320
raise money right so i write him a check

988
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,839
for 95

989
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,720
and

990
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,960
they sent us a disc

991
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,359
and again what they did was they deleted

992
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:05,839
the column with the radar paints which

993
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,960
to me is illegal and the disk was so

994
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,240
huge

995
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,480
if the information was there there was

996
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,920
no way of finding it and they did it

997
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,599
deliberately they absolutely did it

998
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,920
deliberately the amount of data on this

999
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,160
disc was incredible and they deleted the

1000
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,800
column with the radar panes so we have a

1001
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,960
real problem in this country right now

1002
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,640
with the freedom of information act

1003
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,800
especially from the faa they are

1004
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,280
deliberately once they know who you are

1005
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,200
and smooth on pa they're not going to

1006
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,680
cooperate with you and to me in my mind

1007
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:38,160
it's illegal i filed the complaint on it

1008
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,200
i said

1009
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,359
in the very least i want my 95 dollars

1010
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,440
back because you didn't comply you need

1011
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,920
to send it to me in a word document or

1012
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:48,400
something that's readable i never got an

1013
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,440
answer

1014
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,720
wow

1015
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,680
you know i was going to go

1016
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,040
the next thing i was going to ask you

1017
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,560
are our listeners

1018
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,359
might be familiar with the the uf or

1019
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,560
excuse me the hanger one ufo show

1020
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,800
i was going to ask you is there really a

1021
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,880
warehouse somewhere or is that kind of a

1022
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,359
dramatized view you know that warehouse

1023
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:11,680
i'm always like wow i'd love to go dig

1024
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,319
through that place do you guys have like

1025
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,440
a storage facility somewhere where a lot

1026
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,240
of this information is

1027
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,839
yeah the one they show you on the show

1028
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,079
is the real hanger it's in cincinnati at

1029
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,880
lunken airport uh that's where the

1030
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,040
headquarters was when dave mcdonald was

1031
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,960
in charge and that's when the show

1032
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,560
started so they went and they filmed it

1033
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,640
that's hanger one that's the real hanger

1034
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,599
where evidence and the files dramatized

1035
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,680
i didn't think that was a real plus

1036
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:41,599
that's amazing

1037
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,560
yeah the inside is dramatized that's

1038
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,880
filmed in a warehouse

1039
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,359
a record retention warehouse

1040
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,520
you know because you have to you have to

1041
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,880
have the right setting and the lighting

1042
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:54,240
and everything

1043
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,040
yeah

1044
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,119
but the outside but to know there is an

1045
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,520
actual place where you guys keep all

1046
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,760
these files and all this information

1047
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,839
that's pretty amazing

1048
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,160
yeah now what happened was two years ago

1049
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:08,800
right after the show aired season one

1050
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:12,960
we moved jan tarzan took over so um the

1051
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,599
warehouse wrecked retention moved from

1052
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,520
cincinnati to

1053
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,319
orange county california and uh so it's

1054
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,000
there somewhere but you know they're not

1055
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,000
gonna change season two of the tv show

1056
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,160
and now show you a different warehouse

1057
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,760
so they stuck with the one that we

1058
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,839
started with when we started filming but

1059
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,400
there is uh in california it's being you

1060
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,480
know that's where the records are and

1061
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,000
you know really anything that's more

1062
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,319
recent with sightings are is is

1063
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,960
computerized you know uh there was a

1064
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:42,160
time

1065
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:45,760
yeah i mean it was our first 60 years uh

1066
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,440
50 years uh you know we were uh on paper

1067
00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:51,280
and there were all paper documents but

1068
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,000
really since i think about

1069
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,280
2008 or nine

1070
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,359
when jane's carry-on was in there he

1071
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,920
computerized the whole system so you

1072
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,160
know the last five six seven years is

1073
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,319
all on computer but the older records

1074
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,160
are are on paper

1075
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,000
well and i was going to ask you if you

1076
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,000
could tell us about your latest book the

1077
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,200
case for ufos

1078
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,000
okay what i did was is you know i i have

1079
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,920
18 years of in this field and i took

1080
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,800
i've always kept track of little known

1081
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,359
facts and the history and all of that

1082
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,599
and i decided to put it all together in

1083
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:28,480
a book

1084
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,640
and uh so to me this is the uh

1085
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,280
best tool for a new investigator or

1086
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,760
somebody that's interested in ufos i

1087
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,119
think if you read my book you would

1088
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,280
learn everything you need to know about

1089
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,079
the history of ufos i have you know a

1090
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,560
chapter on quotes from all uh famous

1091
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,200
people generals politicians

1092
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,119
but the best part i think even though i

1093
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,040
wrote a chapter called the case for ufos

1094
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,119
and it runs through the history

1095
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,760
really from ancient aliens on

1096
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,760
i have a chapter in there which i'm most

1097
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,760
proud of called do you know should you

1098
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,960
know

1099
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,720
when i was at ups i was the head of

1100
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,720
security for pennsylvania west virginia

1101
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,960
virginia plus i was the head of public

1102
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,880
affairs too for the three states and or

1103
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,359
our guy from dc public affairs used to

1104
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,599
always come in and quiz us do you know

1105
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,359
should you know about how congress works

1106
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,000
etc and i like that term so i used it

1107
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,240
for my chapter and what i've done is

1108
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,960
take all these little known facts i

1109
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,520
think there's 254 of them they make up a

1110
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,000
chapter and it's like each one is three

1111
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,400
four lines of you know did you know this

1112
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,760
did you know that like you know for

1113
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,079
example uh

1114
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,200
the term uh flying saucer is credited to

1115
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,480
kenneth arnold

1116
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,760
wrong

1117
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,400
in my book the first time flying saucer

1118
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,079
was in print was in

1119
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,200
uh texas i think 1878 my list a guy's

1120
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,560
name and everything it was in a

1121
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,000
newspaper the guy called it a flying

1122
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,040
saucer so it's all little known facts

1123
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,680
like that but it's in chronological

1124
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,599
order and if you read through that you

1125
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:02,240
get a history of ufos and these are the

1126
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,599
things that

1127
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,920
i've come across in different books

1128
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,280
and articles and it's all the

1129
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,440
little-known facts

1130
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,960
well i never knew that i always thought

1131
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,040
it was kenneth arnold he said

1132
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,640
everybody's wrong on that it's i think

1133
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,400
yeah i think the guy's name was martin

1134
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:19,599
and it was in

1135
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,720
newspaper and it's all in my book and

1136
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,119
it's it was the term flying saucer was

1137
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,760
used so i mean then the whole chapter is

1138
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,800
full of

1139
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:32,880
little-known facts like you know people

1140
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,079
say why don't pilots uh you know report

1141
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,280
ufos well and i've come across no other

1142
00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:41,599
ufologist that knows this

1143
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,280
in

1144
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,920
1954

1145
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:44,640
the

1146
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,440
restrictions on commercial pilots

1147
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:55,520
this was in place for four years from

1148
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,160
1954 to 1958 you could report a ufo

1149
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,440
internally

1150
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,359
to united american airlines you could

1151
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:05,920
not go to the press if you went to the

1152
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,880
media on a ufo sighting as a commercial

1153
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,440
pilot you were subject to a ten thousand

1154
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,720
dollar fine and um you know what i think

1155
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,640
it was five years in prison i've got it

1156
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,880
all in book and you can be prosecuted

1157
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,079
for espionage that's how far the cia

1158
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,319
went and this was on the books for four

1159
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:26,960
years until the killian case captain

1160
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,079
killian flying from newark to

1161
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,359
detroit over pennsylvania saw a ufo and

1162
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,319
he went public with it and

1163
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,240
project blue book came back and said

1164
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,560
that killian was a drunk he was drinking

1165
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:42,640
before the flight and people knew him

1166
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,150
yeah blue book what they did was a crime

1167
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,000
i mean they even their own military

1168
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,000
people they would they would completely

1169
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:58,079
discredit them but killian went public

1170
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,359
and he says you know what here i am at

1171
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,480
the press conference

1172
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,240
i'm telling you what i saw you want to

1173
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,319
prosecute me go ahead they never did

1174
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,079
prosecute him and the law dropped in

1175
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,200
1958 they they didn't uh they didn't

1176
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,359
they never really they never prosecuted

1177
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,079
any pilot but what happens is they still

1178
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:16,480
come down on pilots you remember the

1179
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,160
japan airlines case uh captain ufo and

1180
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,520
that guy was forced to retire

1181
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,520
yeah yeah well yeah they gave him a desk

1182
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,440
job once he reported it he got a desk

1183
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,280
job until he retired he was never

1184
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,040
allowed to fly again so you know they

1185
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,200
send you the message if you do report it

1186
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,720
and this is all the type of stuff that's

1187
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,560
in my book it's you know that one

1188
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:38,079
chapter i just mentioned do you know

1189
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,119
should you know

1190
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,520
um you know talks about what i just said

1191
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,720
with the

1192
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,960
commercial pilots and i give you all

1193
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,760
these little known facts and that

1194
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,680
chapter is loaded with stuff that i bet

1195
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,520
you people don't know half of those

1196
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,680
facts in that chapter

1197
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,280
and it sounds like this if for my

1198
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,040
listeners this is a great book if you're

1199
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,640
just getting into the subject because it

1200
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,200
does provide an overview of everything

1201
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,079
it's not so focused on one specific case

1202
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,000
it's kind of a great overview of

1203
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,079
everything ufo

1204
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,920
and the the other book yeah i didn't i

1205
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,200
even thought

1206
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,200
oh i'm sorry guys

1207
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,200
yeah i said i even told mufon they

1208
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,280
should uh they're going to carry it in

1209
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,280
the uh their bookstore there on on the

1210
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,359
website and i said we really should be

1211
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,839
required reading for all the new field

1212
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,599
investigators because i'm telling you

1213
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,000
when i do something i'm very detailed

1214
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,040
and i've researched this for 18 years

1215
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,200
and this is everything i know

1216
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,440
over 18 years is i put it all in this

1217
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,640
book

1218
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,800
it sounds like it sounds like uh

1219
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,680
definitely on my reading list i did read

1220
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,359
your other book that i wanted to talk to

1221
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:46,079
you about because i'm from pennsylvania

1222
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,280
and uh

1223
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,119
so the kexpert case is one of my

1224
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,040
favorites and also your book ufos over

1225
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,960
pennsylvania can you tell us a little

1226
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:56,960
bit about that book and why is

1227
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,640
pennsylvania such a hot spot

1228
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,960
it's actually amazing i just did a

1229
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,200
rewrite what i did was when i uh

1230
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:07,440
published case for ufos then what i did

1231
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,800
was i went back to my pa book a ufo's

1232
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,079
over pa

1233
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,880
and i did a rewrite on it and i added 40

1234
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,359
pages i deleted some stuff too that i

1235
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,839
kind of moved into the case for ufo book

1236
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,359
because i wanted each book to be

1237
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,920
separate and so i did i did add the

1238
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,240
chapter with recent cases over the last

1239
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:28,640
two years the close encounter of the

1240
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,839
third and fourth kind cases or in the

1241
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,079
new ufos over pa so but if anybody

1242
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:35,599
ordered it now they would get the new

1243
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,400
book

1244
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:38,480
but you know even on kindle we replaced

1245
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,839
it on kindle but um pennsylvania's you

1246
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,319
know it's kind of a strange place um

1247
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,880
popular mechanics comes out with an

1248
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,839
article a couple years ago talking about

1249
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,040
the last 50 years what counties have the

1250
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,040
most ufo sightings

1251
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,880
and they list counties where major

1252
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,119
cities are like la county was number one

1253
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,119
but then they have a second list of

1254
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,599
counties that don't have a major city in

1255
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,520
the county and number one is

1256
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,000
westmoreland county where i live and

1257
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,599
numbered and stan gordon lives about two

1258
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,760
miles that's convenient for you too i

1259
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,480
guess right yeah i mean it's like

1260
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,960
it's amazing and then number two now i

1261
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,520
mean number uh in that top five is bucks

1262
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,760
county has absolutely moved into the top

1263
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,760
five you know it's probably number three

1264
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,240
or so in the country now

1265
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,640
i remember when that wave was going on i

1266
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,559
actually drove out there with some

1267
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,880
binoculars like so hoping to see

1268
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,559
something but i didn't

1269
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,640
can you tell us what

1270
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,880
what did you get to about the bucks

1271
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,040
county wave that's what people called it

1272
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,559
when there was a whole bunch of

1273
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,640
sightings in bucks county in a short

1274
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,720
time frame

1275
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,319
yeah well you know i'll tell you one

1276
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,480
case we had which was great we had a

1277
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:53,440
police officer put in a case that he was

1278
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,800
he was on the radio with another cop

1279
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:58,960
and they saw this ufo he said there were

1280
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,119
six witnesses one was another police

1281
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,400
officer he put in a great description

1282
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,720
and everything right so what happened

1283
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,359
was then i contacted his precinct

1284
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
because we were doing the tv show and i

1285
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,640
said here's a guy you want to

1286
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,480
you know interview for the show

1287
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,640
and the media supervisor gets back to me

1288
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:19,040
spoke with the captain and said

1289
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,400
uh no we're not going to make him

1290
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,559
available and we're not going to do this

1291
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,720
then i get a personal email from the

1292
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,800
police officer saying this is not good

1293
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:28,720
for my career i need to drop it right

1294
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,680
now so you see the type of pressure

1295
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,280
that's put on people whether you're a

1296
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,599
policeman or whether you're you know in

1297
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,440
the military or

1298
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,400
or a commercial pilot uh you know

1299
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:42,559
anybody who says this isn't real is nuts

1300
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,599
it is absolutely real and but there's

1301
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,640
see my question then becomes

1302
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,400
what is it about this that you can't

1303
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,079
tell us you know it's got to be more

1304
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,559
than just the military technology which

1305
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,400
i think is the main part the back

1306
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,400
engineering but you know it's not like

1307
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,480
we're keeping the secret from russia or

1308
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:02,960
china they know they everything that we

1309
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,520
monitor in the sky they monitor also

1310
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:07,599
it's not a secret you know but but

1311
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,800
there's something else to the question

1312
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,640
you know what are they doing here where

1313
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,559
are they from what's the origin of this

1314
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,559
what's the agenda you know and i think

1315
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,480
david jacobs just put out a new book i'm

1316
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:20,960
hearing where it's pretty uh you know

1317
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,079
he's pretty dire that he believes we've

1318
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,880
absolutely been infiltrated with hybrids

1319
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,280
and they've moved up into politics and

1320
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,559
corporations and they're eventually

1321
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,400
going to take the planet over you know

1322
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,839
and um

1323
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,920
you know so uh those are the type of

1324
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:37,119
things that happens but there's

1325
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:38,079
something

1326
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,359
recently was that

1327
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:47,760
the cia

1328
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,280
back in the early 100 years ago the fbi

1329
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,440
was investigating aleister crowley who

1330
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,400
was a demonologist the cult you know

1331
00:52:02,950 --> 00:51:59,200
claimed to be the the antichrist and

1332
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,960
what happened was he conjured up in 1918

1333
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,920
an elemental you know a demon it looked

1334
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,839
just like a gray except with small eyes

1335
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,240
big head spindly body he drew a picture

1336
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,760
of it it's out there

1337
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:14,240
lamb is the name lam aleister crowley

1338
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,280
i've heard that

1339
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,960
a lot of people think that he wasn't

1340
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,040
talking to demons he was talking to

1341
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:20,720
extra dimensional

1342
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:23,920
beings whether we call them older angels

1343
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,559
or

1344
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:26,640
and wasn't there a follower of his that

1345
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:29,680
was a project paper clip guy that worked

1346
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,119
on early nasa programs guy used to work

1347
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,599
on rockets and then in his spare time he

1348
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,440
was out in the desert with aleister

1349
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,920
crowley trying to contact these extra

1350
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:42,079
dimensional beings so that's a whole

1351
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:43,280
interesting

1352
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,720
that's a show crowley was

1353
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:48,319
crowley was convinced that they were

1354
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,280
demonic uh but the point but let me let

1355
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,520
me just finish with what happens is that

1356
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,640
the fbi turns it over to the cia the cia

1357
00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:59,040
forms a branch called the collins elite

1358
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,640
that investigates demonology and ufos

1359
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:04,559
now this is interesting

1360
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,400
they conclude there are no ufos it's all

1361
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,760
inter-dimensional entities that they

1362
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,720
believe

1363
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,640
are or demonic

1364
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,440
so so you i had never heard this before

1365
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,760
and uh you know that's the people can

1366
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,599
look up the collins elite

1367
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,839
but it makes you wonder what is the

1368
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,400
origin of all of this you know i i think

1369
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,280
we're dealing with two different

1370
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,119
uh phenomenon

1371
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:33,599
one is the explorer from space and i can

1372
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,119
give you case after case like the 1973

1373
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,880
ufo wave i even mentioned that in my

1374
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:39,839
book

1375
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,000
that ufo wave was absolutely a species

1376
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,119
that showed up here pasagula

1377
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:49,040
up the mississippi you know it went

1378
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,720
across pennsylvania october 17th of 73

1379
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,880
where the most abductions uh the most

1380
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,119
sightings it was abs and the people that

1381
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,880
described them they were in space suits

1382
00:54:02,230 --> 00:53:59,839
etc

1383
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,240
that's one thing and and numerous other

1384
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,960
cases and what's being seen in the sky

1385
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,920
then you've got what i believe is the

1386
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,280
grays

1387
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,079
and the alien abduction phenomenon that

1388
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,960
dr david jacobs talks about

1389
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,040
i absolutely have to look into looking

1390
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,520
at the picture of lamb that alistair

1391
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,319
crowley uh drew that was the first time

1392
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,559
a gray was ever drawn

1393
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:27,520
and then reading on the demonic side

1394
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,640
what they do with these late night alien

1395
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,559
abduction at three in the morning with

1396
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,240
the grays

1397
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,160
that they it mirrors

1398
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:39,359
demonic possession so i i think what we

1399
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,640
got is an interdimensional entity

1400
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,640
and there are probably good ones and bad

1401
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,480
ones so you know it's funny when you say

1402
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,559
angels of demons people roll their eyes

1403
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,079
but if you just say that there's a

1404
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:51,599
there's good ones and bad ones they

1405
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,480
accept that you know and um

1406
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,000
you know maybe that's where bigfoot

1407
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,079
that's where all these poltergeists

1408
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,079
ghosts that's where all that comes from

1409
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,520
there's absolutely something

1410
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,520
interdimensional going on but then

1411
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,839
there's something else that's from space

1412
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,520
that are explorers

1413
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,240
and you know if it is demonic activity i

1414
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,559
think these explorers have the same

1415
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,200
problems that we have in dealing with

1416
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,520
these entities that are interdimensional

1417
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,480
but

1418
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,280
there's definitely a an overlap and i

1419
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,359
think that that late night

1420
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,000
uh abduction that

1421
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,599
jacob says is a hybrid program to take

1422
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,599
the planet over

1423
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,119
it may not be

1424
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,960
extraterrestrials that may be these

1425
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,040
demonic evil

1426
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:39,280
uh you know entities from another

1427
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,799
dimension i i believe there's two

1428
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,720
different things the whole subject even

1429
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,520
a little bit scarier for me

1430
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,599
actually yeah

1431
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,359
i think some things can't be explained

1432
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,200
by just technology some of the

1433
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,760
experiences people have had had seemed

1434
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,880
to be like a spiritual almost experience

1435
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,880
instead of like hey i saw some lights in

1436
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,160
the sky

1437
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,480
you know absolutely

1438
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,000
yeah and you know and i and i've said

1439
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,319
that to people and you know they get so

1440
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,880
upset when i say we don't have the kind

1441
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:12,000
of science that can explain this plus

1442
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,760
you know science has blinded us on too

1443
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,280
and they're more interested in grant

1444
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:17,760
money and and their reputations to go

1445
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,960
out on a limb but uh you have to realize

1446
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,680
there's two separate things going on

1447
00:56:27,789 --> 00:56:25,839
one is an interdimensional and and i'm

1448
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,799
telling you whether we got it

1449
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,559
misidentified being angels guardian

1450
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,640
angels and demons

1451
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:34,400
there's there are entities that hate us

1452
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:35,440
and there are entities that are

1453
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,799
protecting us

1454
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,119
and i think in in those 11 dimensions

1455
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,040
that are out there you have all these

1456
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,760
other creatures and i believe that 100

1457
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:45,440
because i've had a ton of paranormal

1458
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,880
stuff and i actually put that in the

1459
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,280
last couple of chapters of my case for

1460
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,240
ufos it's the last couple of chapters of

1461
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,559
an alternative history of mankind i have

1462
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,960
a chapter in there called uh my

1463
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,040
paranormal experiences and i and then

1464
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:01,760
they continued up until last year i i

1465
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,040
put the last you know year or so of uh

1466
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,200
of paranormal activity in this other

1467
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,799
book too so if you read the two you'll

1468
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,040
get uh you know two different totally

1469
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:12,960
different views all alternative history

1470
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,200
which is ancient alien stuff and in case

1471
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:17,359
of ufos which is factual but the end of

1472
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,799
each book i talk about the paranormal

1473
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:22,960
yeah i was going to ask you about i have

1474
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,520
a big interest in the genetic side of

1475
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:26,400
that

1476
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,440
story

1477
00:57:34,349 --> 00:57:29,839
john also and i should mention you can

1478
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,589
www.johnventury.com it's

1479
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,589
dot com he's got four great books there

1480
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,880
i was going to ask you about the

1481
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,440
alternative history of mankind do you

1482
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,359
have some information about genetic

1483
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,160
manipulation there because i've always

1484
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,920
been interested in this because i don't

1485
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,119
believe that

1486
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,000
simply evolution explains everything

1487
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,319
away

1488
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,720
well you know in that book i make it

1489
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,040
very clear and even in the case for ufos

1490
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,280
i have a chapter on evolution in that

1491
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,359
too i make it very clear that evolution

1492
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,680
doesn't work it doesn't add up

1493
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,000
it is the one theory that's taught in

1494
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,799
schools that's completely wrong you know

1495
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,480
and i can give you a bunch of examples

1496
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,520
you know cro-magnon man shows up after

1497
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,400
homo sapiens how is that evolution you

1498
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,880
know out of the blue during the end of

1499
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:26,720
the ice age there from

1500
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:29,920
like 20 000 bc to 10 000 bc we have

1501
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,599
another version of man that shows up uh

1502
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,200
who is less

1503
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,119
advanced than us but more advanced than

1504
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,640
neanderthal

1505
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,319
and he's only around for 10 000 years

1506
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,559
that can't be that's not evolution

1507
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,400
should have taken millions of years for

1508
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:47,040
him to develop and it didn't he just

1509
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:50,559
shows up in uh in in europe you know so

1510
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,240
uh that doesn't work uh we have 226

1511
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,160
chromosomes in us that are found in no

1512
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,960
other primates we have 46 uh i mean

1513
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,440
genes we have 46 chromosomes you know

1514
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,160
other primates have 48

1515
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,079
it just you know

1516
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,839
all the proof is is in my books but

1517
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,000
evolution absolute then we back date

1518
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,000
everything i read a good uh article and

1519
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,400
i put it in my book um

1520
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,839
where

1521
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,640
the whole radiometric dating doesn't

1522
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:21,040
work you know carbon dating works to

1523
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:23,119
thirty thousand years and then they go

1524
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,559
to radiometric dating but radiometric

1525
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,119
carbon meteorometric dating only works

1526
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,359
if you have a static environment we've

1527
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,240
had asteroid strikes volcanoes

1528
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,230
once you turn up the soil and the earth

1529
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,119
radiometric dating doesn't work and this

1530
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,880
professor wrote a book and i read it and

1531
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,480
i put that in my book

1532
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,359
why it doesn't work so uh what we do now

1533
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,319
is all of the fines that are found we're

1534
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,200
even back dating the older finds to fit

1535
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:57,359
the evolutionary model it's it's

1536
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,640
actually amazing

1537
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,160
and this author even talks about the

1538
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:02,880
whole out of africa theory which we did

1539
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:06,400
not originate in africa the oldest genes

1540
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,839
uh the oldest dna is from australia the

1541
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,040
aboriginal

1542
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,000
the uh genes and spain so spain and

1543
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,880
australia have the oldest dna

1544
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:18,799
the only reason they say

1545
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:21,920
africa is the oldest is because there

1546
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:25,359
are enzymes found in african dna that

1547
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,480
are not found in any other um racial

1548
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,119
group or on any other continent so they

1549
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,200
say well if they got more we had to

1550
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,200
start there and that's just not true

1551
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,680
they know that the oldest dna is from

1552
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,040
australia and spain not africa so

1553
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,640
it's really interesting stuff and i put

1554
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,040
i put a recap of that in my book how

1555
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,839
science really lies and they back date

1556
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,680
everything and when they find something

1557
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:51,680
that's out of place you know like a gold

1558
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,440
chain or a gold vase in a carbon in a uh

1559
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,000
cold deposit they say it was either

1560
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,400
planted there or they discard it or you

1561
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,480
know bones they find these bones femurs

1562
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:04,880
that are three feet long of humans for

1563
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,599
giants you know uh in love

1564
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:09,359
yeah and so they get rid of those

1565
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,880
there's a lawsuit going on right now

1566
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:12,960
it's going to supreme court against the

1567
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,760
smithsonian that they have covered up

1568
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,920
the fact that there are human there were

1569
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,640
human giants on earth and the bones have

1570
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,559
been found all over the world and i

1571
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,599
think that one cave loveland uh nevada

1572
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:27,920
where there's a whole cave of of them

1573
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,720
and that's the one in particular

1574
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,799
that they grabbed the bones like 10

1575
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:34,480
different times there's newspaper

1576
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,799
reports somebody from the smithsonian

1577
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,119
you know they come out and then those

1578
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,440
bones disappear and nobody ever sees

1579
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,440
them and they claim they don't have any

1580
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,119
they claim that they don't have any

1581
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,559
involved or

1582
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,319
you know they sure never put any on

1583
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,160
display

1584
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,319
well you just look at you know the

1585
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:54,480
little pin that giorgio wears on ancient

1586
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,520
aliens

1587
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,680
the one that shows the airplane right

1588
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,599
the golden little air that's that's one

1589
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,440
of my favorite things too explain that

1590
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,960
when people say they don't believe in

1591
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,000
ancient

1592
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:06,720
astronaut theory or that humans have

1593
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,200
technology that we've forgotten other

1594
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:11,280
civilizations i asked them to explain

1595
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:13,039
that one to me because somebody built a

1596
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:14,799
model on that thing and it flies

1597
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:19,990
that's in my alternative history of

1598
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:22,559
mankind uh book because i go into all of

1599
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,359
that history but here's for example

1600
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,440
this is in the smithsonian it was found

1601
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,680
in central america it's a thousand years

1602
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:31,920
old it's a little gold what they thought

1603
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,920
was a bug they thought they modeled

1604
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,000
these little gold bugs and they made

1605
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,640
them so an engineer takes a look at it

1606
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,480
and he says hmm

1607
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:42,559
this has a rudder there isn't a bug out

1608
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,319
there alive that has a rudder sticking

1609
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,920
straight up on the tail

1610
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,240
so he goes and builds one and he took a

1611
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:50,240
rubber band put a propeller on it

1612
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,720
exactly to the dimensions and boom thing

1613
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,000
flies

1614
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:56,960
once they realized this was an ancient

1615
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,599
airplane model those little golden ones

1616
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:01,760
uh the smithsonian pulls it from the

1617
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:04,799
shelves and no longer displays it so

1618
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,760
that's

1619
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,160
you know an example just like

1620
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,240
the bones of the giants and all these

1621
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,640
other fines that are completely covered

1622
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,839
up

1623
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:15,760
there's an effort to

1624
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,400
have

1625
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,400
consensus science

1626
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,559
where this theory of evolution adds up

1627
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,559
it absolutely don't we were either

1628
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:23,839
created

1629
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,400
by this interdimensional god

1630
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,200
that we call god and jesus or we were

1631
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,280
genetically engineered and you could

1632
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,839
make a very strong case for both that

1633
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:35,839
we've been interfered with over the

1634
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,599
years and you can look at all the

1635
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,520
ancient stuff like the pyramids you know

1636
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:40,960
look at the pyramids

1637
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:44,000
why are the first three pyramids in giza

1638
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,359
perfect

1639
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,680
and every pyramid we made

1640
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,160
since then is falling apart not even

1641
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,480
close to the original you know that that

1642
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,200
would be like saying the edsel was the

1643
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,119
best car ever made

1644
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,880
and uh you know whatever you think the

1645
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,480
best car is right now today is it's

1646
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,039
falling apart makes no sense but that's

1647
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,960
that's what you got

1648
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:06,559
yeah because technology should improve

1649
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:15,029
in order to create those pyramids

1650
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:16,400
well you know i'll take a line from

1651
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,280
president obama you didn't build that if

1652
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,000
you got a pyramid you didn't build it

1653
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:23,760
you know that's exactly the truth you

1654
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,240
didn't build it so we didn't build those

1655
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:28,480
well i i think that's one of the great

1656
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,160
mysteries and i don't care what anybody

1657
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:33,119
says they'd say well you know

1658
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:35,839
they had ramps and like i just can't

1659
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:39,119
imagine the the scale of that and the

1660
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,720
same thing with the south american

1661
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,799
pyramids it's just like the scale of

1662
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,640
some people that didn't have wheels are

1663
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,880
building this are you kidding me well

1664
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,760
you know

1665
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,839
we would never they say we never made

1666
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,359
contact right

1667
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,960
you know columbus was the first one here

1668
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,960
which we know is not the truth the

1669
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:56,880
vikings were here the chinese were on

1670
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:59,359
the west coast but you know uh we'd

1671
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,039
never made contact but yet there were

1672
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:03,119
pyramids all over the world and if you

1673
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,599
ask somebody what country what area of

1674
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:07,119
the world has the most pyramids you know

1675
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:08,240
they're going to say well the middle

1676
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,440
east egypt is wrong it's central america

1677
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:13,200
central america has a thousand there's

1678
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,640
150 in egypt there's a thousand in in

1679
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,200
central america so uh and then you know

1680
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,640
there's so much that you can look back

1681
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,880
at customs and and you know you go to

1682
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,640
some places and there are carvings of

1683
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:27,039
white people in africa you know that

1684
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,119
goes back before anybody was there and

1685
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,960
the same thing on these islands and you

1686
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,920
know

1687
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,599
there's one island that

1688
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:35,359
has all the different racial groups

1689
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,200
carved in on these stone faces on a wall

1690
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,039
or how could that be the thing is like

1691
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,359
eight thousand years old but yet we

1692
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:45,200
didn't make contact back then because we

1693
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,960
haven't seen it and they also have a

1694
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,200
representation of what many people think

1695
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,920
is a gray or an alien large head large

1696
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:52,960
eyes

1697
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,160
along with every race on earth

1698
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,280
in one place makes no sense

1699
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:01,440
yeah well you know our history doesn't

1700
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,079
add up and you know you know i say i i

1701
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,640
put in my book too that uh

1702
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,200
if we wanted to teach people to think

1703
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,000
just take the issue of evolution why

1704
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,400
wouldn't you teach in a school and let

1705
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,720
the peop the kids come to their own

1706
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:19,200
conclusions there are three theories you

1707
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,640
know one is the evolution that we've

1708
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:22,640
been teaching the second one is the

1709
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,119
ancient alien theory that we've been

1710
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:26,880
genetically upgraded you know the

1711
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:29,599
sitchin theory right and then the third

1712
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,000
one is that we were created by a

1713
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,720
superior being you know the god that

1714
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,760
that of religion why wouldn't you just

1715
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,559
teach the three let people reason

1716
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,720
through the three and come to their own

1717
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,039
conclusions that would be

1718
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,440
you know what an advanced civilization

1719
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,760
would do let you make the choice not

1720
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:52,480
shove evolution down our throat which it

1721
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,839
has been so

1722
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:54,880
mis

1723
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,079
disproven you can take all the evidence

1724
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,559
for evolution and put it on your kitchen

1725
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,680
table

1726
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:03,599
and i'm telling you the truth seriously

1727
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:06,559
but you're right you're absolutely it is

1728
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,280
there is no fossil evidence that

1729
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:12,319
anything ever turned into anything else

1730
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,319
there are no there are no creatures that

1731
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,280
are halfway between one and the other

1732
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,960
turning into something else there is

1733
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,960
none there is no fossil evidence for

1734
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:21,680
that

1735
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:26,319
whether it was to swim or to fly or to

1736
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:29,599
run fast they're dead they become dinner

1737
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:32,799
you know once whatever it was

1738
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,960
just changed into a totally different

1739
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:36,000
creature

1740
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,680
it doesn't make any sense all those

1741
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,280
years that you'd be crawling around on

1742
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:40,960
your belly because you can't fly anymore

1743
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,760
or swim or whatever you'd be eating so

1744
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,359
you know and like i said there's no

1745
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,200
fossil evidence for this stuff but you

1746
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,880
know and i talked about that in my books

1747
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,280
and both of them actually you know uh

1748
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,799
but but you know the the alternative

1749
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,920
history one i want to tell you a little

1750
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:56,000
bit how that happened i had the cover of

1751
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,359
the book first

1752
01:08:01,829 --> 01:07:59,839
i come across a picture of an alien

1753
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,839
holding a human skull like the thinker

1754
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,079
right so i look up the artist he's he's

1755
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,680
in i didn't know he was in brazil but i

1756
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:08,079
emailed him right and i asked him can i

1757
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,920
use this as the cub first he let me use

1758
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,440
it in uh

1759
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,160
in one of my books apophis 2029 he just

1760
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,239
lets me use the picture in one of the uh

1761
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:18,080
chapters and i said i i love the

1762
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:19,440
pictures and i said you know i'm writing

1763
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,199
a new book and i use it as a cover

1764
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,040
usually then you gotta pay the guy and

1765
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,640
the guy goes nah you can use it he says

1766
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,640
that's fine you know just credit me and

1767
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,719
i did you know on the first page that it

1768
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,279
was from him ralph damiani i didn't know

1769
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,880
where he lives i said you know what i'll

1770
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,960
comp you for my conferences my three

1771
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:36,719
conferences in pittsburgh philly and

1772
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,960
erie i'll comp you you can come and all

1773
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,480
of that and the guy goes well it'll be a

1774
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,199
little difficult i live in brazil

1775
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,279
that's fine well he gave me let me use

1776
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,960
that like you know he emailed me i saved

1777
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,960
it really great picture

1778
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:50,880
great picture you know even the other

1779
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,319
picture by uh inside the book by sandeep

1780
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,960
kara khan is his name uh he's in india

1781
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,120
another guy in india and he let me use

1782
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,000
the his pictures great picture of a ufo

1783
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,400
like in the alps

1784
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,640
crashed on its side broken open and

1785
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:08,640
there's these guys in red suits and a

1786
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,920
tractor

1787
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,600
you know going into it it's in one of

1788
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,440
the it's in two of my books actually he

1789
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,279
let me use it in two of them uh but

1790
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,040
great pictures so i had the cover of the

1791
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,279
book right and then i was working on the

1792
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:21,520
storyline which was all of the

1793
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,080
alternative theories to everything you

1794
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,319
know will you tell me something you know

1795
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:28,719
apollo 11. i i have an alternative

1796
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:31,679
theory 11 and 12 were staged 13 was the

1797
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,640
first try that's why we had problems 14

1798
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,239
was the first landing you know no matter

1799
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,080
what it is the titanic

1800
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:40,239
never hit an iceberg that was a uso

1801
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,839
coming up out of the water clipped the

1802
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,679
titanic and i give the reasons you know

1803
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,199
jack the ripper

1804
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,719
yeah i'm telling you compare jack the

1805
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:49,279
ripper to animal mutilations jack the

1806
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,159
ripper was a species that came here that

1807
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:53,679
did the um

1808
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:56,560
human mutilations there was no jack it

1809
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:00,400
was aliens and it compares exactly to

1810
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,280
you know the the lady that the uh animal

1811
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,360
mutilations you know so i filled the

1812
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,960
whole book with all these theories so

1813
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:08,719
i'm trying to say how do i tell the

1814
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:11,679
story now and what happened was i went

1815
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,560
to

1816
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:14,719
roswell for the first time a year and a

1817
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,000
half ago and i'm writing the book what i

1818
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,320
do is i take a vacation four or five of

1819
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,560
them a year and i write while i'm laying

1820
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,560
on the beach five times a day i go back

1821
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,560
in i write for a half hour then i go get

1822
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:28,239
ideas i go out to eat i go lay on the

1823
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:29,840
beach sightseeing that's how i write my

1824
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,159
books so um

1825
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,640
i got all these theories i got to cover

1826
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,640
i said how do i tell this story what do

1827
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,920
i do here

1828
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,920
so i swear to god i'm driving out of

1829
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,040
roswell

1830
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,880
i see this woman hitchhiking on the side

1831
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,679
of the road and blonde a fairly

1832
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,000
attractive woman she's got no bags she's

1833
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,679
she's not even carrying a purse and

1834
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,360
she's hitchhiking and i'm on the edge of

1835
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,760
town i'm going to santa fe now so i'm

1836
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:55,840
saying like where's this woman going

1837
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:58,000
you know i didn't stop to pick her up

1838
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,760
because i don't pick up hitchhikers but

1839
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,080
i'm thinking then i said that's it

1840
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:04,640
that's how i tell the story i picked the

1841
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,679
woman up she's a hybrid unlike the david

1842
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:08,560
jacob

1843
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:10,320
hybrids that want to kill us this one's

1844
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,080
a hybrid and she tells me the true story

1845
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,320
of us that we were the genetic

1846
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,320
engineering it's always been them

1847
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,320
they've always been i think it is such a

1848
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,640
great story it's a conversation

1849
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,080
absolutely

1850
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,800
yeah it's a conversation i could just

1851
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,800
see that happening somebody picks up a

1852
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,719
mysterious stranger

1853
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,360
get to talk and that stranger decides to

1854
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:35,199
tell them the truth

1855
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,000
you know

1856
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,360
you've got the dialogue back and forth

1857
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,520
where she's telling you and i'm saying

1858
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,199
wait a minute but science this or

1859
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:45,760
religion this and she goes no none of

1860
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,480
those this is what happened and i throw

1861
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,320
all those theories and i think i'm

1862
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,840
telling you you know at my conferences

1863
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,840
where i saw my books here in pa i've had

1864
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,440
people come up to me with all of my

1865
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:57,600
books and said john you know every year

1866
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,640
i've written one book a year really

1867
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:03,120
six books in eight years but four in a

1868
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,800
row for the last four years so the

1869
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,480
people come to my conference they buy my

1870
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,159
books and i said john that is the best

1871
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:10,000
book i ever read whether it's the

1872
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,440
apocalypse 2029 one guy told me i picked

1873
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:15,360
that up he says i read it in one night

1874
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,080
he says i could not put the book down it

1875
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,159
was it's fast moving and i write like a

1876
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,560
reporter i'm not flowery you know i

1877
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,560
don't say you know you're kind of matter

1878
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:27,280
of factual but i like that style you

1879
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,880
know but it's still very entertaining

1880
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,280
and you have a good like concept for for

1881
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,280
how to tell the stories

1882
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,040
i was going to ask you about the book

1883
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:37,760
apophis 2029 a lot of people don't know

1884
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,440
but that's apophis is a big asteroid and

1885
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,080
people think that might be the uh

1886
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:46,640
apocalypse asteroid can you tell us a

1887
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,880
little bit about that book

1888
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:50,960
yeah you know it's really interesting

1889
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,280
because back in 2004 they discovered

1890
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,920
this asteroid and no initially they said

1891
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,840
it was a half mile and i just read

1892
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:01,840
recently they've upgraded it to three

1893
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,719
quarters of a mile now remember

1894
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,719
anything over one mile

1895
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,640
changes like the atmosphere of the

1896
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:11,120
weather i mean you could have you know

1897
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,040
non-stop rain you could have droughts

1898
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:14,560
you could have whatever it does you

1899
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,120
could be under a cloud of darkness for

1900
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,239
three weeks so it's getting pretty big

1901
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,920
now they've actually upgraded it but the

1902
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,640
one thing they did was it had a three

1903
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,880
percent chance of hitting us

1904
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,800
in um

1905
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:30,480
what happens is why i called the book

1906
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:33,679
apophis 2029 into every seven years it

1907
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:38,560
comes closer in 2029 it actually passes

1908
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:41,600
earth and dips below our satellites

1909
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:43,600
think about that that's like what's

1910
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,149
it comes in below our satellites so

1911
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,840
there's a big chance that the earth's

1912
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:56,080
gravity could just pull it in right and

1913
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,679
then we could that's the whole thing it

1914
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,600
was a situation

1915
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:01,120
yeah it wouldn't pull it in but it would

1916
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:05,040
change its orbit for 20 uh 36 where it

1917
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,640
could hit and that's what they're saying

1918
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,960
is 2036

1919
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:10,880
what hap whatever happens when it passes

1920
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,239
in 29 it could hit or all it has to do

1921
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,000
is hit a pebble out in space and it

1922
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,320
would change its trajectory either miss

1923
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:20,080
us by millions of miles or hit us you

1924
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:21,920
know anything could happen but the thing

1925
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:24,560
gets closer and closer every seven years

1926
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:28,080
so what i did was i wrote a story where

1927
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,199
and i don't want to tell you all the

1928
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:31,199
details to it but i wrote a story where

1929
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:34,239
it hits you know so it's a sci-fi novel

1930
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,880
it's fast-paced there's four storylines

1931
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,520
at the same time with four different you

1932
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:41,280
know groups of people it's me and my

1933
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,800
kids when i was living in jersey because

1934
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:44,320
that's when i wrote it

1935
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,000
years ago

1936
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,080
you know we're trying to survive you got

1937
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,880
the agents like uh mulder and scully

1938
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,480
there's these two agents working for

1939
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,960
homeland security that are investigating

1940
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,199
because they find something after all

1941
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,440
the devastation it doesn't

1942
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,239
apophis is not an extinction event

1943
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,480
it causes a lot of chaos and that's what

1944
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:06,400
i have in my book but they find

1945
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,679
something and i can't tell you what that

1946
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:09,520
is or i give away the book

1947
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,880
and it is a ufo storyline ending to my

1948
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,719
to my book but there's four different

1949
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,960
store reliance and uh it it it's

1950
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:19,280
actually i believe my best

1951
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:23,040
written book it's 400 pages and

1952
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,640
like i said people read it and said they

1953
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,400
can't put it down they have to read the

1954
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:28,480
whole book in one night

1955
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,400
that's the mark of the great book

1956
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,400
exactly yeah and you know even the

1957
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,400
alternative history i've had people come

1958
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:36,480
up to me and said john i walk around

1959
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:38,560
with this book and i tell people you got

1960
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:41,600
to read this this is the truth about our

1961
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,159
real uh beginnings so but here's the

1962
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,080
thing though you take

1963
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,760
alternative history

1964
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,480
it more supports the vendang incition

1965
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:53,440
all you know uh ancient alien theory but

1966
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,320
then

1967
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,280
my newest book case for ufos clearly

1968
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:00,320
says that you know it's ufos but then

1969
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:02,480
i give you those last couple of chapters

1970
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,840
about the interdimensional the

1971
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:06,880
paranormal things that have happened to

1972
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:09,920
me and i kind of then say hmm

1973
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,719
you know you have this dimension of

1974
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,280
ent of entities that are malevolent and

1975
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,760
helpful you know so so they're like you

1976
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:20,000
get a completely different perspective

1977
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:21,600
in my books almost like i got a split

1978
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,920
personality i write one and totally

1979
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,840
left-wing all right one it's totally

1980
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:27,280
right-wing

1981
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:29,920
that's cool i wanted to also mention

1982
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,360
that uh mr ventry is the pa state mufon

1983
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,120
director for those who don't know that's

1984
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:37,920
the mutual ufo network that's a citizen

1985
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:41,679
run group which investigates these ufo

1986
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,400
uh incidents and there are there is two

1987
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,400
upcoming conferences i'm going to try to

1988
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,080
make because they're so close to home

1989
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:50,480
the first is in philly it's friday and

1990
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,080
saturday october 9th and 10th 2015 and

1991
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:56,960
the next is in pittsburgh it's saturday

1992
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,760
november 14th 2015.

1993
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,679
and these conferences have these great

1994
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:03,760
lectures by all these experts the one in

1995
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,320
philly will have uh dr david jacobs

1996
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,320
as well as john ventry

1997
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,000
and others our guest

1998
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:14,159
and if you're interested in this subject

1999
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:17,199
this is a this is a great place to go to

2000
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,199
get all this information and hear some

2001
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:21,440
great lectures and information that

2002
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,640
you're not going to get from the

2003
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,719
mainstream media you're not going to get

2004
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,560
from the government that's for sure

2005
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,000
could you tell us a little bit about the

2006
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,800
conferences john yeah and you know what

2007
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,159
what i want to say about them is you

2008
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:34,560
know i pride myself on doing these

2009
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,040
conferences uh at the lowest cost

2010
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,360
possible and if you if you go to some of

2011
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,159
the bigger conferences you're paying 239

2012
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:45,199
dollars 259 dollars for a weekend and

2013
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,960
you know the philly conference is friday

2014
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,040
and saturday it's a hundred and five

2015
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,040
dollars and you get two meals with that

2016
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:53,280
which is incredible you have a cocktail

2017
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:55,040
hour friday night with all hors

2018
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:57,840
d'oeuvres and two speakers and then and

2019
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,080
we're going to start off

2020
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:02,719
with the true travis walton dvd it's new

2021
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,880
by jen stein then you have two speakers

2022
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:06,800
then on saturday you got richard dolan

2023
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,760
myself paula harris michael barra nick

2024
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,080
pope and then after that's a dinner

2025
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:14,960
buffet with dr david jacobs all of that

2026
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:17,840
seven speakers two meals for 105 dollars

2027
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:20,880
that's unheard of and it's a great thing

2028
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,520
for that in philly sometimes yeah i mean

2029
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,760
the meals alone and you see i i make no

2030
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,679
money on the meals it basically you're

2031
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,000
getting the meals from my cost you know

2032
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,800
which is in if which is in the

2033
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:35,040
close to 60 dollars it costs just for

2034
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,120
those meals without paying for the hotel

2035
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,199
and the flights and the speaker fees so

2036
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:41,360
i'm telling you we make about

2037
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,000
three dollars a person on the 105. it

2038
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,480
cost me 102. i'm telling you the truth

2039
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:49,199
but my point is to get people to come

2040
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:50,000
out

2041
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,560
and learn and attend and buy the books

2042
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:54,400
we're not doing it to make money but we

2043
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,679
walk away with five hundred eight

2044
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,080
hundred dollars um you know if you have

2045
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,560
a bad conference you lose five hundred

2046
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:03,360
and then like i should mention

2047
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,880
unlike some conferences that are

2048
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,199
strictly for the benefit of somebody's

2049
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:10,080
profit these benefit mufon isn't that

2050
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,159
right so that that money yeah absolutely

2051
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:14,159
and that's what we do we we

2052
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:16,239
to further that cause which is a great

2053
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,760
cause

2054
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:19,520
yeah and we use the money to buy

2055
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,080
equipment geiger counters you know uh

2056
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,000
whatever we might need everybody has a

2057
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,800
little kit with gloves and and and paint

2058
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:28,880
cans empty paint cans that have never

2059
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,360
been used and you know and and the basic

2060
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,159
equipment that we can give you uh we do

2061
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,239
that and then we hold our meetings and

2062
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:38,320
we buy lunch for our people and all of

2063
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:41,440
that so uh you know all the all the uh

2064
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,960
all of the uh

2065
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:44,560
money that we raise

2066
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,920
which you know we do to three

2067
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,159
conferences we might make two two grand

2068
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:50,400
on three conferences which is incredible

2069
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,560
you know and most other conferences will

2070
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:54,719
charge you a hundred dollars more for

2071
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:56,960
the conference than we do and then

2072
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:59,040
november 14th over in pittsburgh

2073
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,560
westmoreland county

2074
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,400
we we've done both of these for eight

2075
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,800
years these conferences we've got stan

2076
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,560
gordon talking about the 50th

2077
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,480
anniversary of kecksburg yeah that's on

2078
01:20:18,189 --> 01:20:09,840
myself

2079
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,199
then we have lauren coleman right

2080
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:20,400
cryptozoology bigfoot we got phyllis

2081
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,520
goldie the the editor and uh owner of

2082
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:25,440
fate magazine talking about ghosts and

2083
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:27,760
creatures and we got another speaker on

2084
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,600
fallen angels and the nephilim and

2085
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:31,840
another one on the spiritual mission of

2086
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:36,480
uh et's and you know it's 20 you know 31

2087
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:40,400
you get uh two four six speakers

2088
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,600
uh lunches included and then you know

2089
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:45,520
you can buy the dinner buffet with the

2090
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:46,880
speakers in the question and answer

2091
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:49,040
period so uh you know it's incredible

2092
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:52,480
that's 55 for the whole day two meals

2093
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:55,040
two meals and six speakers for 55

2094
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:56,080
dollars

2095
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,480
yeah sounds like a great value to me i'm

2096
01:21:01,510 --> 01:21:00,159
gonna try to make both and i hope you

2097
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,520
can introduce me to some of your

2098
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,760
speakers we could always use new guests

2099
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,520
so that would be awesome yeah absolutely

2100
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,199
there's some great people

2101
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:09,520
that i've been uh i would love to meet

2102
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,159
and uh and and hear speak live because

2103
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:14,800
i've seen so many of them on youtube and

2104
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,679
on these different shows

2105
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:19,920
so i think that uh if you're interested

2106
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,120
in in in the subject of ufos or some of

2107
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:25,840
the more esoteric stuff like bigfoot and

2108
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:28,480
nephilham and all these

2109
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:29,760
cool stuff

2110
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,320
you can attend these conferences and get

2111
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:34,400
fully informed get some books get some

2112
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,280
dvds and make sure that you support

2113
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,440
john's books i only have

2114
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:41,920
i'm going to get the other few but i i

2115
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,320
have ufos over pennsylvania it's one of

2116
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,920
my favorites because i'm from

2117
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,280
pennsylvania

2118
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:49,120
and you can order his excellent books at

2119
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:51,600
his website johnventury.com

2120
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,990
you can see him on hanger one

2121
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:59,920
the ufo files

2122
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:01,280
it's my understanding they're making

2123
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,400
future episodes isn't that right john

2124
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,239
well no they haven't told us about

2125
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,719
season three yet it's incredible last

2126
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,719
year at this point in september we were

2127
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,960
filming season two and right now there's

2128
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,600
been no determination on season three

2129
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,840
yet we would we were history's highest

2130
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,159
rated show on friday nights one and a

2131
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,480
half million people watched the ratings

2132
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,639
are higher than ancient aliens and no

2133
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,199
word you know it it's kind of annoying

2134
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,960
because i keep seeing new episodes of

2135
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,120
ancient aliens coming out all summer and

2136
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,840
nothing on hang on what i like i liked

2137
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,760
ancient aliens when it started but it

2138
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:37,360
seems to me they're just scraping the

2139
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:39,760
bottom of the barrel mail like you know

2140
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,120
ancient aliens and the civil war that

2141
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,040
doesn't make any sense

2142
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,800
you know and meanwhile you guys have

2143
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:49,440
some fresh exciting content and more

2144
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,280
modern stuff and trace evidence cases

2145
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:55,840
and uh i i really enjoy the show i hope

2146
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,480
it does get picked up for another season

2147
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:00,000
because you guys have some matter of

2148
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,600
facts stuff that just i love that show

2149
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:05,840
yeah well here's something else i do a

2150
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:08,719
tv show in pittsburgh only in pittsburgh

2151
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:11,679
it's on public tv and it's called ufos

2152
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:14,000
over pittsburgh twice a month uh the

2153
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,600
west virginia state director fred

2154
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:17,679
seluger and i we go into pittsburgh to

2155
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,080
the studio and we film ufos over

2156
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:22,480
pittsburgh it's a half hour ufo talk

2157
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,920
show i love doing it i write the show i

2158
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,400
get to guess and fred fred and i appear

2159
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,639
in the show and they're on youtube you

2160
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,120
can look up either ufos over pittsburgh

2161
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:36,400
or john venturi on youtube and we've

2162
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:39,040
done so far 24 episodes we do two every

2163
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:41,840
month we've got 24 so far

2164
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:44,080
and i'm telling you they are some of the

2165
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,040
best

2166
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:46,800
you know show

2167
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,239
if this was on syndicated regular tv you

2168
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:51,920
know it would be it would be like uh you

2169
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,960
know anderson cooper innocent 360. it is

2170
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,800
a great great show and you could just

2171
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,600
look me up or or ufos over pittsburgh on

2172
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,560
youtube

2173
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,639
i'm always looking for new content every

2174
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,560
time i think i've watched most of what's

2175
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:06,880
on youtube i find something like that so

2176
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,560
there's 24 episodes to walk to watch

2177
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:12,000
that never mind there's some stuff

2178
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,760
that's out there but it's good to know

2179
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:15,840
and maybe if you need a guest i have

2180
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,400
some special things that i can uh help

2181
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,159
you with there i'd be happy to come in

2182
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:22,239
for the weekend or something

2183
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:24,719
that would be awesome you know we

2184
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:26,560
what we did for the first time is we

2185
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,199
skyped uh we skyped somebody in for the

2186
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:31,520
last episode and it worked fine it was

2187
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,560
clear

2188
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:34,960
you know it wasn't all muffled and stuff

2189
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:37,040
like that so now what we're going to

2190
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:38,480
start doing is we're going to skype

2191
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:40,960
somebody in for at least one of the two

2192
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,120
episodes every month so we could put you

2193
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:45,280
on the list of skype ease yeah that

2194
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,880
would sound that would be great that

2195
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,120
would be great do you have any other

2196
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,800
projects that you're working on is there

2197
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:52,960
going to be i heard you say you're done

2198
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:55,600
writing books and i hope that's not the

2199
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,110
yeah everybody has said that and uh i

2200
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:05,760
say yeah i'm done and uh

2201
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,480
idea like next month and you're not

2202
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,639
going to write i'll write an article

2203
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,800
i actually uh write some occasional

2204
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,719
articles for seven different

2205
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,239
publications

2206
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:18,239
um i think there's three in england

2207
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:19,520
although it's funny all the english

2208
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,639
magazines there gary hesseltein phillip

2209
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:24,800
mantle steve mara

2210
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:28,080
i write for them and then in the us it's

2211
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:29,440
uh

2212
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,560
conspiracy journal and it's one other i

2213
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,719
can't think what it is um i write this

2214
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:38,560
seven magazines i'll write an article i

2215
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:40,159
send it to them i send it to all seven

2216
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,159
at the same time and they say here it is

2217
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,480
it's free publish it if you want some do

2218
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,480
some don't and the most they'll make it

2219
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,120
into one or two you know of the seven so

2220
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:51,360
if i get a new idea i will just send it

2221
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:54,159
out in the form of an article but i'm

2222
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,679
done writing uh i love writing you know

2223
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,639
but

2224
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:00,800
you know it's hard to explain i feel

2225
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,080
like after 18 years i've come to my

2226
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:06,400
conclusions i don't think i'm going to

2227
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,360
learn anything else i put it all in the

2228
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:11,120
case for ufos

2229
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:12,639
you know and in my other books but the

2230
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,360
case for ufos is the last one i think if

2231
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,199
you read that you get everything to

2232
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,920
understand this and and then i talk

2233
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,679
about this interdimensional thing at the

2234
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:23,760
end of my book and i'm very

2235
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:25,920
definite you know talking about my

2236
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,159
paranormal experiences there's a couple

2237
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,080
of chapters on that

2238
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:32,560
and uh you know so like i said i'm

2239
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,679
convinced there are ambassadors and

2240
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,000
scientists from space that come here and

2241
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:40,639
have always come here from the beginning

2242
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,040
probably for fifty thousand years and

2243
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:45,280
then i'm convinced there's an

2244
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,239
interdimensional entities that have been

2245
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:51,840
the basis of religion legends everything

2246
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,080
that every culture on every continent

2247
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,560
has ever talked about which is similar i

2248
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,239
believe there's this interdimensional

2249
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,560
thing and i'm convinced of it and i'm

2250
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,880
convinced that there's also

2251
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:05,440
scientists from space and scientists and

2252
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:08,159
ambassadors from space do not show up in

2253
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,520
your bedroom at 3am hiding in the corner

2254
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:13,840
i agree paralyze you

2255
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:16,400
and that is a demonic

2256
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,149
you know explain what's going on i i

2257
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,080
totally and completely agree with you

2258
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:25,840
because i think some people go one

2259
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:28,880
theory or the other and they don't

2260
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,280
allow for both i mean i think only both

2261
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:33,840
could explain everything that's going on

2262
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,639
you know that's my take you know that

2263
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:37,920
yeah that and that's one of the things

2264
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:40,480
i've experienced it's all or nothing why

2265
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,760
is it all or nothing that you believe in

2266
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:46,320
uh in jesus only you believe in

2267
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,400
evolution only you believe in ancient

2268
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,960
aliens only you we're dealing with at

2269
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:52,960
least two if not three separate

2270
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:55,600
phenomenon you know my conclusion is

2271
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,280
this is an absolutely haunted planet

2272
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,639
which would

2273
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:02,719
with creatures from outer space coming

2274
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:05,440
here for a long time and creatures from

2275
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,520
dimensions coming here and for all i

2276
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:09,360
know it could be us from the future

2277
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:11,679
coming here i i was at the comic con and

2278
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,000
this is funny a reporter for the local

2279
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:16,159
tribune review says i'm going to contact

2280
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:17,760
you in about a month i'm writing an

2281
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,080
article in keksburg and he's i said fine

2282
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,679
you know call me i gave him my card he

2283
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:23,600
goes let me tell you my theory he says

2284
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,600
these grays are from the future and i

2285
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,440
said are they really and he goes yeah

2286
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,280
now listen to this he says you got a

2287
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:31,199
smartphone what happens is you're

2288
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,199
sitting there staring at your your

2289
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:34,960
smartphone and your apple and your

2290
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:37,120
laptop and everything you're using two

2291
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:39,199
fingers you still you end up losing the

2292
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,320
use of of you know a five you only end

2293
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,400
up using three so now you got three

2294
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,880
fingers over you know years your eyes

2295
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,239
get bigger because you're staring at

2296
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:49,679
your device your head gets bigger

2297
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,159
because your brain is not concentrating

2298
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:54,080
but he made me laugh that he says yeah

2299
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:55,679
and then you end up we look like grays

2300
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,360
in the future that's us coming back

2301
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:00,239
because of apple products

2302
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:02,719
it's steve jobs fall

2303
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,960
that's people are getting abducted

2304
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,960
yeah yeah it's it's his fault but i

2305
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,600
thought that was really funny but uh

2306
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:11,199
people no i'm not going to write nothing

2307
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,560
i've always appreciated your work

2308
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,560
because you're kind of open-minded but

2309
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:17,280
then factual like it's not just a story

2310
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,120
with you there's here's the evidence to

2311
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:21,199
go with what i'm saying

2312
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,639
so yeah i don't

2313
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:24,800
i appreciate it

2314
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,960
yeah i don't flower anything up i'm not

2315
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,199
descriptive like i said if i'm telling

2316
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,719
you the thing came in and punched you in

2317
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:32,320
the face you know it broke through the

2318
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:33,840
window and punched me in the face i

2319
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,199
don't say well it broke through the

2320
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,280
window it was slowed open to get through

2321
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:39,840
the glass the walls were green and it

2322
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:41,600
smelled of frozen no i don't say that i

2323
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,719
said came through the window and touched

2324
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:44,639
me in the face

2325
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:45,760
that's great

2326
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,239
so i was i was asking earlier is there

2327
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,320
some new projects are you just going on

2328
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,199
with your with your pa investigations

2329
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,040
when you get calls

2330
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,639
or well

2331
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,800
over the years i've had

2332
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,560
i've had seven different states for

2333
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:03,199
mufon i currently have four pennsylvania

2334
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,320
delaware

2335
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,400
uh maine and new hampshire i just

2336
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:08,159
recently gave up from mountain rhode

2337
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:11,360
island we promoted uh ken pfeiffer took

2338
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,159
those i had west virginia i promoted

2339
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:16,639
fred salud he took that so i still got

2340
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:20,239
four i was the first multi-state mufon

2341
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,679
state director

2342
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:23,520
i'm still maybe the only one or one

2343
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,520
other guy has one other state you know

2344
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:26,880
but i got four

2345
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:29,920
uh so i'm pretty busy with that and uh

2346
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:31,520
you know i'm hoping for a season three

2347
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:37,830
i keep telling headquarters

2348
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:41,040
what we got to do is we have to

2349
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:43,120
come out with a new show you know if

2350
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:44,320
they don't want to pick it up call it

2351
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:46,639
the m files let's compete with the

2352
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,719
x-files call it the m-files for the

2353
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,480
mufon files

2354
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,080
and we do it that way you know we have

2355
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,480
jan harzan and couple of us come in his

2356
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:56,239
office and he hands us the case and

2357
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:57,440
that's what the show is going to be

2358
01:31:01,510 --> 01:30:59,120
about and then we just do the same you

2359
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:01,520
know file footage and what happened and

2360
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,520
all of that but let's do it right and

2361
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:05,760
call it the m-files compete with the

2362
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:08,320
x-files because we're the real x-files

2363
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:10,320
yeah you guys really are i mean you get

2364
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:13,520
all the all the kind of strange esoteric

2365
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:16,000
stuff it's not just ufos you guys get

2366
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,920
like bigfoot reports and all kinds of

2367
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:19,440
stuff don't you

2368
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:21,199
yeah yeah we get we actually and you

2369
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:22,719
know what and i'll be honest with you

2370
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:25,840
you know we look i look at these reports

2371
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:28,320
and you know the ce3s and fours and

2372
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:29,360
stuff and

2373
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:31,199
some of them they fall into the

2374
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:33,360
paranormal area and all my investigators

2375
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:34,800
say the same thing they said you know

2376
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:37,040
this one's not ufo this thing is

2377
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,600
paranormal this is a spirit this is a

2378
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:41,520
poltergeist this is something else and

2379
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:43,760
so we we end up getting all of that you

2380
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:44,480
know

2381
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:45,679
and and that's some of the stuff i

2382
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:47,679
talked to about in the last few chapters

2383
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,159
of case for ufos that there's a second

2384
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,080
thing that goes on and it's not from

2385
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,719
outer space uh but uh you know i don't

2386
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:56,320
want to write any more books i've come

2387
01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:58,320
to my conclusions that there's we're

2388
01:32:04,149 --> 01:31:59,440
dealing with

2389
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:04,159
interdimensional so i i think that you

2390
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:06,000
know uh what i'm going to do is run my

2391
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,800
three conferences i give eight or nine

2392
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:10,800
different presentations that again

2393
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,239
people come up to me and say that's the

2394
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:14,400
best presentation i've ever heard most

2395
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:16,480
factual most interesting you know

2396
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:19,600
because it's it's all logical in order

2397
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:21,440
factual just like when i was giving a

2398
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:24,639
presentation at work you know you had to

2399
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:26,960
you had to make your point and that's

2400
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,040
what i do and i'll talk two hours three

2401
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,239
hours on on whatever the subject is uh

2402
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:34,880
although i don't go that long i can um

2403
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:36,880
so i i want to give my you know tell you

2404
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:38,560
my biggest disappointment let me tell

2405
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:41,440
you this my biggest disappointment is

2406
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:42,560
i've done

2407
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:45,520
seven tv shows 50 episodes

2408
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:47,040
and nobody

2409
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,120
outside of pennsylvania and ohio asked

2410
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,880
me to come speak at their conference and

2411
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:52,560
there's not one

2412
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:56,239
mufon investigator state director on the

2413
01:33:02,030 --> 01:32:58,639
conference circuit not one

2414
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:02,040
the people that you pay to listen to are

2415
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:03,840
historians

2416
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:05,679
and researchers

2417
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:07,679
not the people who actually did the

2418
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:10,000
investigations like us and i find that

2419
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:10,880
yes

2420
01:33:14,950 --> 01:33:12,880
i'd prefer to hear from you because like

2421
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:14,960
i was saying i i know that some

2422
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:16,800
conferences they're

2423
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:19,040
they're hiring entertainers basically

2424
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:20,400
these people that just

2425
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:23,360
hey let me tell the story of you know uh

2426
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:26,000
stan romanek or dan burrish and i'm

2427
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:28,239
sitting there going i paid money for

2428
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:29,520
this like

2429
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:32,480
wait a minute no fact checking no

2430
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,960
evidence no corroboration this is a

2431
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:36,800
fairy tale and i didn't want to pay

2432
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:39,760
money like me i want to get to the truth

2433
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:42,159
so i'd rather hear from you you know

2434
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:45,199
instead of some ufo hulkster is telling

2435
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:48,239
stories and you know selling a dvd full

2436
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:49,600
of lies

2437
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:51,520
we need to get the investigators in

2438
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:53,679
these conferences

2439
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:55,920
yeah think about it how many of them out

2440
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:57,840
there actually

2441
01:34:01,990 --> 01:34:00,639
was an original investigator or most of

2442
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,000
them are looking up stuff on the

2443
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,560
internet putting a presentation together

2444
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:06,560
or they may have called somebody and

2445
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:08,560
said well you know tell me about roswell

2446
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:10,960
tell me what you saw or whatever for you

2447
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,960
know very very few

2448
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:14,639
they didn't speak to the witness in

2449
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:16,880
person they didn't get the trace

2450
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,360
evidence like you have in so many you

2451
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,760
know in some of your cases

2452
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:23,840
you know and i tell you that is my

2453
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:25,760
biggest disappointment you know when i

2454
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:28,320
wrote my first uh two books which were

2455
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:30,840
novels on 12 21

2456
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,800
2012 i had loads of invitations to go to

2457
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:36,560
florida and i did you know i've traveled

2458
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:38,480
around the country giving prayer i

2459
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:41,920
became an expert on end time prophecy

2460
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:43,920
and the mayan calendar i actually was

2461
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:45,840
invited to go to chichen itza on

2462
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:49,119
december 21st with greg braden and give

2463
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:50,960
my presentations and everything because

2464
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:53,280
i was on the anderson cooper show april

2465
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,480
of 2012 and you know but now

2466
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:58,159
in the ufo side even though i did the

2467
01:35:02,149 --> 01:34:59,600
bucks county and i've written these

2468
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:02,159
other uh you know four books

2469
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:05,520
uh nobody asked me yet i'm i think one

2470
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:07,760
of the more dynamic speakers my

2471
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:10,080
presentations are all you know

2472
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,639
powerpoint with embedded video and all

2473
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:14,560
of this stuff and uh

2474
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:16,159
i don't get invited that's why i run my

2475
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:21,510
if there's any ufo convention

2476
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:24,159
uh people watching people who organize

2477
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:25,520
these things

2478
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,080
mr ventry is is one of the people you

2479
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:30,960
need to have not a storyteller with no

2480
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:34,159
facts and no you know not a ufo huckster

2481
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:37,600
this guy's a pro he runs the state mufon

2482
01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:39,600
for all these different states

2483
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:41,920
and and your books are excellent so i

2484
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:44,960
would say if anybody wants to uh book mr

2485
01:35:54,109 --> 01:35:48,159
ventury you can contact him at www

2486
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:57,109
j-o-h-n-v-e-n-t-r-e com you can also get

2487
01:36:01,990 --> 01:35:59,199
information on his upcoming conferences

2488
01:36:03,790 --> 01:36:02,000
there as well as order any of his books

2489
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:03,800
you can order his books on

2490
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:06,239
amazon.com if you have a kindle you can

2491
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:07,679
get them as well

2492
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:10,800
they're available in electronic form

2493
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,560
i just want to thank you very much i've

2494
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,400
seen you on so many different shows

2495
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:16,560
including the anderson cooper which i

2496
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:19,679
thought you won that debate hands down

2497
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:20,960
and uh

2498
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,960
and and hanger one is one of my favorite

2499
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,719
shows it's been a pleasure to talk to

2500
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,480
you i want to thank you for taking the

2501
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:28,320
time with us

2502
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:30,560
yeah yeah and uh you know anderson

2503
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:33,360
cooper highly edited that show a lot of

2504
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:36,800
what i said would say that because

2505
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,360
stories of of the way that went

2506
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:41,920
including from somebody that works for

2507
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:45,840
him uh was sort of or works for cnn

2508
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,560
told me about they they for those who

2509
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:50,639
don't know mr bentry was on anderson

2510
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,960
cooper and he was the ufo expert and

2511
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:54,639
then they had a skeptic

2512
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:58,000
and every time mr ventry said something

2513
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:00,880
the audience applauded and got great you

2514
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:03,440
know reaction and and people were

2515
01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:06,880
laughing at the skeptic and the finished

2516
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,000
report was so edited they edited out all

2517
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:12,800
the applause mr ventry got and the

2518
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:15,119
laughter about the skeptic and they made

2519
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:16,239
it look like

2520
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:18,080
uh the skeptic

2521
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,320
sort of got the upper hand in the debate

2522
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:22,480
or the show and that's not the way it

2523
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,360
went and that's unfortunate

2524
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:27,280
well it was like it was like night and

2525
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,760
day between filming it and saying yes i

2526
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:32,239
put it to joe nickel my answers were all

2527
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:34,880
good and then watching it you know a few

2528
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:37,440
days later because it was pre-taped and

2529
01:37:41,669 --> 01:37:39,440
saying what happened i said this i said

2530
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:41,679
that i said this i said that you know

2531
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:43,199
you know and the applause for the

2532
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:44,880
witnesses and the laughter of the

2533
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,679
skeptic and it was all edited so you

2534
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:49,280
know it's really shame but that's you

2535
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:50,560
know that's what we're up against one

2536
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,320
thing i do want to mention i'm doing a

2537
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:54,239
ufo cruise

2538
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,639
uh out of miami here next october

2539
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:58,880
october 16th so you have to people have

2540
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:00,560
to look for it we're trying to put

2541
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,639
together three speakers it's a cruise

2542
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:04,880
out of miami you know to puerto rico and

2543
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:07,119
to the you know the caribbean and we're

2544
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,719
going to give presentations and have

2545
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,560
luncheons where we can discuss the whole

2546
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,480
ufo thing but

2547
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:14,719
that's coming next october and you know

2548
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:16,239
i'll put something on my website when

2549
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:17,840
it's finalized

2550
01:38:25,550 --> 01:38:20,159
okay well all this stuff can be found at

2551
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,910
j-o-h-n-v-e-n-t-r-e dot com i highly

2552
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:29,679
recommend his books

2553
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:31,360
and if you're interested in the subject

2554
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,520
you should check out his website

2555
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:34,960
i want to thank you for taking the time

2556
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:37,360
with us again john

2557
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:39,199
all right thank you steve and let's do

2558
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:41,119
this again let's do the paranormal next

2559
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,119
time yeah i got some tails i'm going to

2560
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,199
have stan gordon back to talk about

2561
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:47,040
bigfoots in the paranormal we could do a

2562
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:48,480
show with you as well that would be

2563
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:55,270
well i have to say

2564
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:56,840
what a great interview

2565
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,199
right here's a man who has facts in hand

2566
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:04,080
before putting his mouth in gear

2567
01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:06,080
john ventry is somebody that i deeply

2568
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:08,400
respect because he actually takes the

2569
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:11,199
time to investigate these things

2570
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:12,400
and

2571
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,080
really he's somebody that's trying to

2572
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:17,040
get to the truth of what happened

2573
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:18,800
and then everything that he does and all

2574
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,159
the tv shows you see him on

2575
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:24,560
the stuff that he talks about is very

2576
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,199
fact-based

2577
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:29,280
there's no conjecture there's no

2578
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,560
embellishment there's no speculation

2579
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:34,320
he

2580
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,560
and i have to say that that's

2581
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:46,960
something i deeply admire and respect

2582
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,320
and that's something that i want

2583
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,320
the people that are looking into these

2584
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:54,719
things to do

2585
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,520
and why is that

2586
01:40:02,229 --> 01:39:59,199
well it's very simple

2587
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,239
i want to get to the truth

2588
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,159
are there extraterrestrials in the

2589
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:06,400
universe somewhere

2590
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,840
other intelligent life

2591
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:12,159
are they visiting us

2592
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:14,800
are they monitoring us

2593
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,800
did alien spacecraft crash land on earth

2594
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:20,880
and more importantly

2595
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,800
did our government cover it up

2596
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:26,560
well i think some of the

2597
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,639
stuff that john has done has proven that

2598
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,320
there's at least a few government

2599
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,080
agencies that

2600
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,960
really don't want people to get to the

2601
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,800
truth

2602
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:40,400
and uh

2603
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:43,040
the case of the radar tapes with john

2604
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,920
i think is uh one of the best examples

2605
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:47,840
of that

2606
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:50,560
and so as much as i am discouraged by

2607
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:52,639
those people out there

2608
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:55,360
that i call ufo hucksters

2609
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,320
making a buck selling [\h__\h]

2610
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:00,960
there is also some extremely good people

2611
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,440
in that community like john

2612
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,920
who goes to the ends of the earth to get

2613
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,520
to the truth

2614
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:10,080
and present it to people to share with

2615
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,480
people the things that he learns

2616
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,280
during his incredible investigations

2617
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:17,040
and if you ask me

2618
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:18,639
that's exactly

2619
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,440
what the ufo community needs it needs

2620
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:23,920
more people who are focused on fact

2621
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,920
based actual

2622
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,520
you know boots on the ground

2623
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:29,520
investigations

2624
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:32,880
and less based on a bunch of stories and

2625
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,199
[\h__\h] and nonsense

2626
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:37,440
and hey buy my book

2627
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:39,040
full of [\h__\h]

2628
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:40,639
there are so many people in this

2629
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,360
community that make it harder on

2630
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:46,000
everyone who wants to really get to the

2631
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:47,119
truth

2632
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:49,280
and i think that is extremely

2633
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:52,639
detrimental to the entire field

2634
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:55,199
or extremely detrimental to anybody

2635
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,520
who's interested in getting to the truth

2636
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:58,880
of this stuff

2637
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:01,199
i want to know the truth

2638
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:03,040
you know if there's really alien

2639
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:04,719
spacecraft

2640
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:07,360
running around in our skies

2641
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:09,760
i want to know

2642
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,719
you know and and by the way if the truth

2643
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:14,239
really is that it's a bunch of

2644
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:15,840
experimental

2645
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:18,239
government aircraft

2646
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:20,159
doing tests

2647
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,360
or

2648
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:23,600
as i truly believe there's a whole lot

2649
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:25,199
more drones running around in the

2650
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:27,280
american skies than we would like to

2651
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,560
believe if that's the truth

2652
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:32,000
that's fine

2653
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:33,360
uh you know

2654
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,360
i want to know the truth and if it's a

2655
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:37,600
bunch of drones built by the united

2656
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,679
states government that are surveilling

2657
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:41,119
our skies

2658
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,480
that's fine

2659
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,960
but i want to know that

2660
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:46,639
if it's

2661
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:49,600
something more

2662
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,080
exotic like extraterrestrial spacecraft

2663
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:00,320
then i want to know that truth

2664
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,520
if there's really extraterrestrials

2665
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,280
out there

2666
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:08,239
and especially if they are visiting us

2667
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,000
monitoring us maybe studying us

2668
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:14,800
then i want to know that truth

2669
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,000
and all of these ufo hucksters

2670
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:21,520
and frauds and hoaxers are really just

2671
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:23,440
muddying the waters

2672
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:24,560
and they're

2673
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:25,840
making

2674
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,560
the entire field laughable

2675
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:31,040
because of the crazy stories without any

2676
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:33,440
corroboration because of the

2677
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,320
claims made by these people that are

2678
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,600
selling books and videos and

2679
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,960
honestly

2680
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,480
you know these are the people that are

2681
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:44,560
selling [\h__\h]

2682
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:46,400
i don't want the [\h__\h]

2683
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,000
i want the truth

2684
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:50,560
if there's trace evidence cases or

2685
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:51,520
there's

2686
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:53,679
you know some kind of debris or some

2687
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:56,000
kind of metal film that's not made on

2688
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:57,600
planet earth

2689
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,800
then hell yeah i want to know about it i

2690
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:02,960
want to get to that truth and people

2691
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:06,000
like john to his credit

2692
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:07,600
you know those are the people that we

2693
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:08,480
need

2694
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:11,440
people that are doing the hard work

2695
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:14,159
and those foia requests

2696
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:16,000
you know the freedom of information act

2697
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,520
really should be called

2698
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:19,440
you have no freedom unless we want you

2699
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:20,800
to know act

2700
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:23,440
because the government keeps

2701
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:25,760
you know castrating that

2702
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,119
law

2703
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:29,040
and making it extremely difficult for

2704
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:32,560
anybody to get any documents or anything

2705
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:35,600
anything even nearing the truth of

2706
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:38,800
historical facts that happened

2707
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:41,280
over and over again they have blacked

2708
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:43,840
out documents denied they had documents

2709
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:45,440
and then been caught with their pants

2710
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,800
down

2711
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:48,560
you know when somebody

2712
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:49,679
uh

2713
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:52,800
my favorite is stan friedman who like he

2714
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,360
you know he would file these

2715
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:57,600
four requests and one agency of the

2716
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,719
government would say we don't have

2717
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:00,880
anything about that so then he'd file

2718
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:03,040
the same request with a different agency

2719
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:06,560
and find you know 50 documents

2720
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:07,360
and

2721
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:10,480
it's always funny to me like hey

2722
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:13,040
one agency the government said we have

2723
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:15,040
no documents so then you go to another

2724
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:16,960
agency of the government you somehow

2725
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:17,840
find

2726
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:20,480
something like 50 documents that they

2727
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:22,960
said they didn't have i don't know this

2728
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,800
entire field of ufos it's it's really

2729
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:28,719
i think the reason that it intrigues me

2730
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:30,639
so much is because

2731
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:33,520
of all the deception the disinformation

2732
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,800
out there

2733
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:36,320
and uh

2734
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,360
and you know

2735
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,440
the more you dig

2736
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,679
the more mysterious things become

2737
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:43,679
because you find

2738
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:46,400
lie on top of lie and deception on top

2739
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:49,520
of deception and disinformation and

2740
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:50,639
you know

2741
01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:52,960
i mean there's been times when

2742
01:45:58,590 --> 01:45:56,159
bona fide ufo investigators were

2743
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,600
revealed to be cia

2744
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:01,360
disinformation agents and that's crazy

2745
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:04,080
to me that the cia or our government

2746
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,080
pays people to put out [\h__\h]

2747
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,400
information but they do

2748
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:10,320
and this kind of stuff has been proven

2749
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,960
time and time again but what's really

2750
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:14,800
amazing to me

2751
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:17,840
is that the so-called ufo community

2752
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,119
somehow cannot police itself

2753
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,360
and so we find these people that are out

2754
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:25,840
there selling [\h__\h] are getting paid

2755
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:28,639
money to go to conferences and

2756
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:31,440
you know quite honestly just spew

2757
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:32,639
[\h__\h]

2758
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,520
stuff they know has been proven false

2759
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,199
you know they show pictures that have

2760
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,560
been proven to be fraudulent or

2761
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:43,119
you know i've seen

2762
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:45,199
i've seen lectures where people were

2763
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,400
talking

2764
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:48,639
about ufos and they would show pictures

2765
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:51,199
in their presentations that

2766
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,760
uh have been proven by optical

2767
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,600
physicists and

2768
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:57,760
image experts to be

2769
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,920
complete and total frauds

2770
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:01,920
and it makes me wonder like

2771
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:02,960
why

2772
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,360
would a ufo conference

2773
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,440
where people are paying money to hear

2774
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:09,920
good information about ufos

2775
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:11,360
hire somebody

2776
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,199
that they know is just selling [\h__\h]

2777
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:17,600
and i you know i keep coming back to the

2778
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:20,480
fact that you know i'm an entertainer

2779
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:21,440
and

2780
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:23,920
i know that people have an insatiable

2781
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,639
desire to be entertained it's it's one

2782
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:28,800
of the most important parts of human

2783
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:31,600
nature think about this

2784
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:33,040
if tomorrow

2785
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:34,960
your house burned down

2786
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:37,840
and you lost everything that you own

2787
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:39,520
what would you do

2788
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:41,280
i mean your first

2789
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:45,119
your first priority would be to

2790
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,719
i suppose

2791
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,800
get a roof over your head

2792
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:50,480
and get new clothes

2793
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,320
and things like that

2794
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:54,400
new shoes you know

2795
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:57,920
but directly after your basic needs were

2796
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:01,520
taken care of if you had lost everything

2797
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:03,040
think about it

2798
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:04,960
first you buy some clothes you get a

2799
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:07,520
roof over your head directly after that

2800
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:09,360
what would you do

2801
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:12,000
well most people would buy

2802
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:13,679
a tv

2803
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:16,800
maybe a laptop or a computer or a tablet

2804
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:19,280
so that you could stay connected

2805
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,320
but these things like a tv and a laptop

2806
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,480
and a computer

2807
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:27,199
really if if you boil it down

2808
01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:30,400
or maybe uh maybe you would buy a

2809
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:33,119
console to play video games

2810
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:35,280
but still all of these things directly

2811
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:38,800
after your basic needs are taken care of

2812
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,480
your next thing would be to buy

2813
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:44,400
something to keep yourself

2814
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:47,199
entertained so i think a lot of these

2815
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:50,239
ufo conference people realize that need

2816
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,600
in people

2817
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:53,520
people want to be entertained and and

2818
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,400
hey so do i you know i love good movie i

2819
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:58,800
love a good story i love great mysteries

2820
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:01,520
i love a lot of different stuff

2821
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:03,199
but when it comes to

2822
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:04,320
you know

2823
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,760
subjects like ghosts or ufos or bigfoot

2824
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:09,280
or anything

2825
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:11,440
related to mysteries because i love a

2826
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:12,800
great mystery

2827
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:15,360
you know that's me the mystery man

2828
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:17,040
here

2829
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:19,760
i want to know the truth

2830
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:23,679
i mean great stories are one thing but

2831
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:25,840
at the end of the day we really want to

2832
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:27,840
get to the truth of

2833
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,320
these incredible stories that everybody

2834
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:32,239
hears

2835
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,159
if i could say anything to the ufo

2836
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:36,960
community i guess it would be hey you

2837
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:40,239
know i i love to be entertained too we

2838
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,480
all do but when it comes to this subject

2839
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:46,960
i think it's so very important

2840
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:49,199
that we don't lose sight of the fact

2841
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,199
that most people that are interested in

2842
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,199
this

2843
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:55,440
they want to get to the truth

2844
01:50:02,470 --> 01:49:58,080
i mean it are these flying saucers or

2845
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,480
ufos really extraterrestrial spacecraft

2846
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:04,560
i want to know the truth

2847
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:07,440
if that's what's going on

2848
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:11,760
i want to know about it and

2849
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:15,119
i think if we allow these ufo hucksters

2850
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:18,320
and hoaxers and

2851
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:21,760
you know outright frauds

2852
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:24,480
including the so-called whistleblowers

2853
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:27,679
that turn out to be total [\h__\h]

2854
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:29,679
like dan burrish or

2855
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:33,840
you know stan romanek and i don't know

2856
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:36,000
i could think of 10 others

2857
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:37,280
then

2858
01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:39,679
we are doing a disservice

2859
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:41,599
to everyone

2860
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:43,679
who is interested in this subject if we

2861
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:46,000
allow those people

2862
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:47,440
to

2863
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,639
be

2864
01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:51,199
involved

2865
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:53,119
so i would say

2866
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:55,360
it's it's very important that if

2867
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,000
somebody is a proven fraud

2868
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,320
or a proven

2869
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,400
i don't know hoaxer

2870
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:04,239
or

2871
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:05,440
you know

2872
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:08,560
their credentials are fake

2873
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:11,280
or they've been caught lying to the

2874
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:15,199
general community over and over again

2875
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:17,440
then i would say it's very important

2876
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:20,480
that those people get pushed out

2877
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,880
we all have to stand up and say you're

2878
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:24,159
full of [\h__\h]

2879
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:25,199
you're

2880
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,440
selling [\h__\h] and we're not going to

2881
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:30,080
tolerate that

2882
01:51:35,589 --> 01:51:33,199
so if you pay to go to a ufo conference

2883
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:35,599
and one of those people is here

2884
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,679
i'm sorry or there

2885
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,360
selling [\h__\h]

2886
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:41,199
it's very important that you go to the

2887
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:44,000
the people that ran that conference and

2888
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:45,360
you

2889
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:49,679
let's push those people out

2890
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:51,119
so that maybe

2891
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,480
just maybe

2892
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:54,480
we get the good people

2893
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:56,560
involved in this

2894
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:58,800
the people with facts in hand the people

2895
01:52:02,790 --> 01:51:59,920
that have

2896
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:02,800
trace evidence cases the people who have

2897
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:03,599
done

2898
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,080
their due diligence and have an

2899
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:08,159
incredible amount of research behind

2900
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:09,360
them

2901
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:12,159
that proves what they're saying is

2902
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:15,920
factual and researched and corroborated

2903
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:16,880
and

2904
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:18,080
you know

2905
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,960
they have substantial things to share

2906
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,239
with us

2907
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,920
that's important

2908
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:25,199
because

2909
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,440
you know like my guest tonight a lot of

2910
01:52:30,550 --> 01:52:29,040
those people are getting pushed out of

2911
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:30,560
the way

2912
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:33,760
in favor of these sensationalized

2913
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,960
you know

2914
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:36,960
quite honestly idiots that are selling

2915
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:38,960
[\h__\h]

2916
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,840
and it makes me sad honestly

2917
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:43,520
because i look at some of the stuff and

2918
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:45,280
i go really

2919
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:46,159
really

2920
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:47,599
you're paying money to go to a

2921
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,920
conference to listen to this person talk

2922
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,840
listen to this person lecture about a

2923
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,440
bunch of [\h__\h]

2924
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:57,280
they have no evidence

2925
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:59,440
they have no proof

2926
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:00,880
you know

2927
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,040
they have a bunch of uh let's say

2928
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:05,280
anonymous sources that are feeding them

2929
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:07,280
[\h__\h] and they're feeding it back to

2930
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:09,280
the community and

2931
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,400
you know i think it's a vicious cycle

2932
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:14,880
and one of the things that's

2933
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:17,119
really difficult about this whole field

2934
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:18,560
is that

2935
01:53:21,589 --> 01:53:19,440
you know

2936
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:21,599
go start researching go start reading

2937
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:23,840
books go start watching videos on

2938
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:26,560
youtube or vimeo or anything else

2939
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,679
online

2940
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:29,040
and

2941
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:31,280
i've heard the expression

2942
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:33,199
you have to separate the wheat from the

2943
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:34,480
chef

2944
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:36,159
and and that's

2945
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:39,280
a good analogy there's so much [\h__\h]

2946
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:40,400
out there

2947
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:41,920
that it becomes

2948
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:44,400
almost impossible to get to anything

2949
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:47,440
approaching factual information on this

2950
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:48,560
subject

2951
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:49,520
and

2952
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,679
i you know i don't know what to do about

2953
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,480
it except to encourage everyone

2954
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,480
to say

2955
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:58,639
let's all stand up and say we're not

2956
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:01,440
gonna accept this anymore

2957
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:02,320
like

2958
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:04,239
i've had offers from

2959
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,000
i don't know some

2960
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:08,560
uh

2961
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:10,719
ufo abductee

2962
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:13,280
i've had another offer from

2963
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:14,560
somebody that's supposed to be a

2964
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,320
contactee of some alien i don't know

2965
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:20,239
intelligence

2966
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:22,560
but there's there's no

2967
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:24,080
proof or

2968
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,800
there's no uh

2969
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:28,080
there's

2970
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,320
or

2971
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:34,320
you know i mean it's kind of like

2972
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,560
religion do i just want to take it on

2973
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:38,800
faith that this person is channeling an

2974
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:39,920
alien

2975
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:43,040
and writing down like predictions that

2976
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,880
never come true or

2977
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:47,280
predictions that were written after

2978
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,280
the events happen

2979
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,679
there's so much [\h__\h] in this field

2980
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:53,440
and it's just disheartening to me

2981
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,719
because

2982
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:56,800
i spend a lot of time you know

2983
01:55:00,870 --> 01:54:58,880
researching things and

2984
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:00,880
trying to learn new things

2985
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:03,679
but a lot of my time is just spent going

2986
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:05,760
well that guy's [\h__\h]

2987
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:08,960
and sometimes you know you'll uh

2988
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:11,040
hear a few lectures and you go wow this

2989
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,440
guy's got some good stuff and then you

2990
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:15,520
hear some other crazy [\h__\h] that they

2991
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:17,760
were talking on some other lecture and

2992
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,960
you get

2993
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:20,800
discouraged and then that guy's got to

2994
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:21,599
get

2995
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:23,760
you know kind of stricken off your list

2996
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:25,920
of people to listen to or try to get

2997
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:28,000
information from because

2998
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:30,239
you know that they're

2999
01:55:35,189 --> 01:55:33,040
out there selling [\h__\h]

3000
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:35,199
so can you tell by now

3001
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:38,480
do you know how i feel about this

3002
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:40,000
well

3003
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:42,719
i'm so tired of people

3004
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,639
selling [\h__\h]

3005
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:47,040
wasting my time when i'm trying to learn

3006
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:48,639
the truth

3007
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:53,280
about this subject and and many others

3008
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:54,719
i don't have time

3009
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,800
to listen to some nut job that's trying

3010
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:58,560
to sell a book

3011
01:56:02,950 --> 01:56:00,960
that doesn't want to have a job

3012
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:02,960
you know who thinks hey maybe i'll make

3013
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:05,520
up a big bunch of [\h__\h]

3014
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:06,639
and then

3015
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:12,310
don't have time for people like that

3016
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:13,679
none of us do

3017
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:15,920
and so those people really

3018
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:18,080
you know i would say that we have to

3019
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:20,000
start a new movement

3020
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:20,800
to

3021
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:24,000
get those people out of the community

3022
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:25,599
and uh

3023
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:27,599
you know it won't take much just push

3024
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,360
those people out

3025
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,440
and after a while people are gonna know

3026
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:33,440
like well if i wanna

3027
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:34,560
you know

3028
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,159
get rich quick

3029
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,320
selling a bunch of ufo [\h__\h] is

3030
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:40,320
probably not a good way because people

3031
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:41,840
are gonna call me

3032
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:44,880
on that [\h__\h] and not let me make

3033
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:48,159
money at lectures or ufo conventions or

3034
01:56:51,669 --> 01:56:49,840
make money selling books full of

3035
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:51,679
[\h__\h] or

3036
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:53,199
pictures that

3037
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:56,400
i faked with you know a hubcap

3038
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:59,760
because there's all this stuff out there

3039
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:01,360
and the other part of me thinks the

3040
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:03,679
government if they really are trying to

3041
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:06,960
cover up any ufo secrets loves this [\h__\h]

3042
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:09,840
i wouldn't be surprised if they straight

3043
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:12,400
fund some of those people making fake

3044
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:15,199
pictures fake videos

3045
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:16,080
and

3046
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:18,560
selling [\h__\h] because it muddies the

3047
01:57:24,629 --> 01:57:21,599
water if they're really trying to

3048
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:24,639
conceal what they're doing and somebody

3049
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,440
is selling fake [\h__\h] it just helps

3050
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:29,760
the government's cause

3051
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,599
and so now

3052
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:33,199
i would ask you

3053
01:57:38,229 --> 01:57:35,360
you know email me

3054
01:57:39,910 --> 01:57:38,239
do you have some good evidence do you

3055
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:39,920
have some

3056
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:41,599
truth

3057
01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:44,000
that we here at the mystery man show can

3058
01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:45,760
present to our viewers

3059
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:47,599
because i want to promise my viewers

3060
01:57:50,550 --> 01:57:48,639
this

3061
01:57:53,669 --> 01:57:50,560
i'm not going to sit

3062
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:53,679
there and not ask questions

3063
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:56,239
i've listened to a bunch of other shows

3064
01:57:58,950 --> 01:57:57,119
where

3065
01:58:01,109 --> 01:57:58,960
somebody is just

3066
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:01,119
i don't know telling stories and the

3067
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:03,280
host of the show just sits there and

3068
01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:04,800
doesn't

3069
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:08,639
you know

3070
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:09,760
doesn't

3071
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:14,000
ask for evidence or any of that stuff

3072
01:58:18,070 --> 01:58:16,320
and i think we've had enough of that

3073
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:18,080
in this field

3074
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:20,320
so i'm here to promise you my listeners

3075
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:22,480
that here at the mystery man show

3076
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:24,080
we're going to do our due diligence

3077
01:58:27,430 --> 01:58:26,159
we're going to research our guests you

3078
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:27,440
know i've had a lot of guests just

3079
01:58:32,830 --> 01:58:30,800
refuse to come on here because they know

3080
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:32,840
i'm going to ask them the hard

3081
01:58:37,990 --> 01:58:35,280
questions and the people that are real

3082
01:58:40,229 --> 01:58:38,000
and have real information to share

3083
01:58:42,790 --> 01:58:40,239
and have done their research and have

3084
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,800
something relevant to the field

3085
01:58:46,470 --> 01:58:44,320
they're going to know that this is a

3086
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:46,480
good show to be on

3087
01:58:52,629 --> 01:58:49,520
but those fake fraudulent huckster

3088
01:58:53,830 --> 01:58:52,639
[\h__\h] that are selling [\h__\h]

3089
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:53,840
they're not going to want to come on

3090
01:58:56,790 --> 01:58:55,760
this show

3091
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:56,800
in fact

3092
01:59:01,350 --> 01:58:59,199
uh a whole bunch of them so far have to

3093
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:01,360
you know refuse to come here

3094
01:59:04,709 --> 01:59:03,360
and there's a reason for that because

3095
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:04,719
they're afraid of the questions i'm

3096
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:06,880
going to ask them i've i you know kind

3097
01:59:14,310 --> 01:59:12,390
so

3098
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:14,320
for tonight that's it for the mystery

3099
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:16,400
man show i want to thank you for joining

3100
01:59:19,350 --> 01:59:18,480
me and welcome you

3101
01:59:21,910 --> 01:59:19,360
to

3102
01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:21,920
check out some other episodes

3103
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:25,360
until next time i'm stephen cambion

3104
01:59:31,180 --> 01:59:26,880
the mystery man